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Baptism Doth Also Now Save Us

Silverhair

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God simply decides who He wants to save out of the bunch. Remember, He's not obligated to save anyone at all—looks like quite the loving God to me.
God saves but the question is why does He save one person and not another?

If we go by your view then it is based on the whim of God, an arbitrary choice. Is that what you are saying?

If there is no condition for ones salvation except God's choice of whom He will save and He could have saved all but lets the vast majority burn in hell that does not seem very loving to me.

When you make a claim, it's expected that it should be backed up by Scripture. So far, I'm not seeing that from your side.
So what Paul has said about the coming of Christ through the line of Isaac and Jacob considering Rom 9:5 "from whom is the Christ according to the flesh" is not clear enough for you.

If one is given faith, hears the Gospel, and believes it, then what the text says makes perfect sense.

Where do you get this "one is given faith". You make the claim but we do not see that in scripture.

What we do see is man responding with faith to the various means God uses to draw man to Himself.

Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed,...

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

I see the person responding with faith to the gospel message but what I do not see is your idea that God has to give them faith. That has to be read into to the text.
 

Silverhair

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'We only use the term 'Calvinism' for shortness. That doctrine which is called 'Calvinism' did not spring from Calvin; we believe that it sprang from the great Founder of all truth. ...... We use the term then, not because we impute any extraordinary importance to Calvin's having taught these doctrines. We would be just as willing to call them by any other name, if we could find one which would be better understood, and which on the whole would be as consistent with fact........
'I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what is nowadays called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redememption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross.'

[C.H. Spurgeon. From Chapter 13 of The Early Years, volume 1 of his autobiography ]

To be a Calvinist is nothing else than to be a Biblicist.

So would prefer to be called an Augustinian as that is the foundation of the false teachings that have come down to modern day calvinists through Calvin.

Augustine ran back to the pagan teachings he had held and incorporated them into his teaching which Calvin later picked up and have been brought forward into the teachings of calvinists today.

If calvinism were indeed biblical then it's DoG/TULIP would actually align with scripture but they do not.
 

Martin Marprelate

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So would prefer to be called an Augustinian as that is the foundation of the false teachings that have come down to modern day calvinists through Calvin.
No, Calvinist suits me fine, thanks.
Augustine ran back to the pagan teachings he had held and incorporated them into his teaching which Calvin later picked up and have been brought forward into the teachings of calvinists today.

If calvinism were indeed biblical then it's DoG/TULIP would actually align with scripture but they do not.
They do align with Scripture, and if you knew Scripture properly you would realise that. Now stop with the snide comments. They do you no credit.
 
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