Once again you haven’t grasped the implications of what scripture is saying.
You are not fitting into your new role as heir. Not everyone is cut out for it.You want to fire all the staff as superfluous, not even acknowledge them let alone use them.
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Real Angels
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Once again you haven’t grasped the implications of what scripture is saying.
You are not fitting into your new role as heir. Not everyone is cut out for it.You want to fire all the staff as superfluous, not even acknowledge them let alone use them.
There's a chain of command with God just as the military.
When you break that chain of command you have disobeyed the foundation of command.
Calling on an angel to "sort things out" is breaking the chain!
Unlike the military, our orders are to take our requests to the Throne of God.
Heb. 4:16
"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."
The angels don't have a throne of grace we can call on.
You are granting power to yourself that you don't have.
The angels are like the Presidents cabinet, they work at his pleasure, not anyone else.
No, they have been sent to serve the Heirs of the Kingdom.
“Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?” Heb 1:14
As Heirs the angels are now our servants, doing our bidding.
I use the Angels all the time. If there is a difficult person I have to meet, I send my Angel ahead to smooth the way.
I use my Angel wake me up in the morning, to help me pray, to prompt me and remind me.
As Heirs we given Angels to be our servants, they are an integral part of an Heirs life.
Use the angels mate, they work, proven many times over.
Ben1445
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I don’t remember denying that people talked to angels in Scripture. But if I ever run into one in this world, I’ll tell them to worship and praise the Lord. But I’m not about to author “Heaven Is Real” part 2
I have read about angels in the Bible. I’m much more skeptical of the evil and adulterous generation that needs the sign of an angel today. I affirm their existence. But I recognize God for His authority over them to aid me when needed. I desire to be closer to my Saviour. I have no desire to meet the spiritual realm of angels while I am alive.
Ben1445
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And you are applying this Messianic text to yourself?
If you ever stub your toe, is your angel slacking?
Right. You’ll tell an Angel of God who is ever before the Face of The Father to worship and praise the Lord.
That’s the biggest case of preaching to the Choir I’ve ever heard.
Christianity is a supernatural way of life, it to has to be lived out that way for the words on the page to mean anything.
Catholics are very at home with the supernatural realities like Angels and miracles, we live these things out.
Angels are His Majesty’s Secret Service extended to His Heirs, but because it is a Royal inheritance, we also get the butlers, footmen and house maids.
I was very sick recently and Angels were with me, they have a very particular presence.
People can refuse secret service protection, knock back the butlers and staff of the Royal household. But this is stupid. If Jesus had ministering spirits to care for Him, we most certainly do.
A good Heir acknowledges the staff of ministering Angels and salutes them for their service.
They all have impeccable resumes and unique characters, lovingly extended to us by the Father to serve us.
Heirs don’t refuse this gift of The Father in complete ingratitude, He is sending out His finest incredible servants to be our servants.
Angels are a supernatural reality in our prayers and lives every day as Catholics.
Yes I am, because we are one body of Christ joint heirs with Christ.
You mock. This is a tool of the darkness.
Ascetic X
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Who commands the angels? God, not us.
I will go directly to God. That is as supernatural as you can possibly get.
Psalm 91:11,12,15
For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.
They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
I will go directly to God. That is as supernatural as you can possibly get.
Psalm 91:11,12,15
For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.
They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Certainly God commands His angels, never denied it.
But people have been denying that we can command the Angels as our servants. This is unscriptural, they are our servants as heirs of the Kingdom. If indeed we are Heirs , we will be commanding the Angels as our servants, you could call it a scriptural sign.
“Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?” Heb 1:14
Angels are the best servants, we use them constantly every day.
Whatever you say, Cathode. It's just another reason I'm a Protestant and you're a Catholic.
The Truth is the Truth no matter the team you identify with.
Honestly Charlie, I think I could drop you into a vat of pacifiers and you would still come out sucking your thumb.
This is obvious stuff mate.
I have probably taken the use of Angels for granted, I assumed till now that protestants used Angels as we do.
They even view the Angels of God as competition with God, to me this completely warped understanding.
A desupernaturalised understanding.
You and Christ are the only ones I know that say they can call on angels if needed.
Christ I believe, but I have my doubts about you, and lots of other doubts about Catholicism.
Ben1445
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Read the quoted Psalms again. That is exactly what they said.
I’m not telling the heavenly host to stop doing what they are commanded to do.
I’m also not rushing in where angels fear to tread.
I’m not disputing that we are ministered to at any time.
But we are made lower than angels.
Reality check…
Psalm 8
O LORD our Lord,
how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength
because of thine enemies,
that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers,
the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
What is man, that thou art mindful of him?
and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels,
and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands;
thou hast put all things under his feet:
All sheep and oxen,
yea, and the beasts of the field;
The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea,
and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
O LORD our Lord,
how excellent is thy name in all the earth!
Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
That is a future position.
We have not yet come to the fullness of our adoption.
There is more to inherit that we do not yet lay honest claim to.
I don’t presume to take command of someone else’s messengers. They are not yet under our command.
Sure mate I totally understand. Forget Protestant and Catholic for a second.
I’m trying to tell you something beautiful here.
Firstly, We have a higher dignity and status than you might suppose.
Heirs of the Kingdom are extended the service of the Angels, the ministering spirits.
I have used the angels assistance in my life, as joint Heirs of the Kingdom they serve us as they serve Jesus.
Claim your rights as joint Heir with Christ, use the Angels.
Jesus won this for you.
Nope, can't do that my friend.
I was instructed to take my problems straight to the Throne, not the ones standing around the Throne or flying around it.
Lots of things Baptist do and use are not found anywhere in scripture. And, not to change the topic, but you just did in this post, I will dispute 'asking dead people to intercede for us' as showing your ignorance of the state of our departed brethren. Or, do you believe in 'Soul sleep' as the SDA?
The faith of the Church is that the saints are not really dead, but are fully alive in Jesus Christ, who is life itself (John 11:25; 14:6) and the bread of life who bestows life on all who eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:35, 48, 51, 53-56). The saints are alive in heaven because of the life they have received through their faith in Christ Jesus and through their eating of his body and blood.
The book of Revelation shows the saints worshipping God, singing hymns, playing instruments, making requests to Christ to avenge their martyrdom, and offering prayers for the saints on earth (Rev. 4:10, 5:8, 6:9-11).
Because they are alive, we believe that we can go to them to intercede for us with God. We do not need to see apparitions or hear their voices in order to believe they will pray for us in heaven. We trust that the saints will accept our requests for help and will present them to Christ for us.
This is the meaning of 'The communion of saints' in the Apostles Creed (which the SBC is considering using) and I doubt they really understand what the ancient Church believed or practiced.