Silverhair
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I answered the questions you just do not like the answers.
You think I should answer as a calvinist but my answers are from the bible so they do not fit your particular view.
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Why worry about False Teachers?
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I answered the questions you just do not like the answers.
You think I should answer as a calvinist but my answers are from the bible so they do not fit your particular view.
Silverhair
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You seem to assume that others are not able. That is an errant view that comes form your calvinist misunderstanding of free will. All are able to either humble themselves or to remain in the prideful ways they make the choice that is what free will means.
I know that does not fit your particular view but it is biblical.
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Due to the Holy Spirit enabling us to be now abled to do that
Ben1445
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He already believes that. Let him answer the question that arises from his insinuation.
Scripture! It is self explanatory to the Indwelt Christian.
The more accurate form of that statement is; The Ruah spoke to my spirit. And acctually He corrects and communicates with unlimited fashion and is heard and witnessed by those look for where Yehovah God is working.
Silverhair
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Are you suggesting that I am not an Indwelt Christian?
Do you assume all are able?
So you were able because The Ruah spoke to your spirit, otherwise you would not be able?
You answered questions I did not ask. I know why.
My questions that you did not answer show your particular view are not from the bible.
You assume they are able.
How are they able?
I know that does not fit your particular view but it is biblical.
Bingo!
Some are here thinking they did it all on their own. Maybe just spiritually superior?
Ben1445
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That is generally the meaning without redefining words like whosoever, and all, and whole (world), and any, and world.
If you are to preach a gospel, good news, to every creature, it must actually be good news to every creature. If it is good news that I preach but it is bad news for the person I preach to, it really isn’t a gospel to every creature, is it?
No assumptions made. That is the actual understanding of the words used.
Ben1445
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This is the most foolish argument.
As if we believe in a Saviour so well that we believed Him onto the cross and made Him atone for sin.
Or to think that we somehow believed ourselves into existence and gave ourselves the ability to have free will.
These are ridiculous insinuations. You don’t have any idea what the difference is between free choice and transcendentalism.
But again don’t be upset with me, you don’t believe I have the ability to change my mind on the subject.
Faith is not a work and the gift is still all of the Givers. You rob the glory from God by insinuating that salvation is produced by faith. Faith is not a work. Salvation is by faith and not of works. Clearly faith has nothing to do with the existence of the saving work of Christ. It has only to do with the acceptance of Christ.
Your insistence on people thinking that they are morally superior shows your ignorance. People come to Christ because they recognize that He is morally superior and that are not able to be compared to the word moral.
Were any morally superior, what is the purpose of a Saviour?
Jesus came to call sinners not morally superior. They that are whole need not a physician. And only the Calvinist thinks that the people who choose to believe in the work of Christ are pretending to be morally superior. It is nothing but a strawman argument with no Scriptural structure.
Salvation is of the Lord. Man can still reject the Lord.
Silverhair
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Silverhair
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Answer, because your particular view is not biblical.
In an old and problematic scheme of things, it does not matter whether the gospel is presented accurately or not, no human being is able to respond to it appropriately anyway, because everyone in their natural fallen state suffers from total spiritual inability.
Then, again according to the outdated view, those individuals that were pre-selected before creation to be saved, are altered supernaturally by irresistible grace, such that they come to Christ. In such a scheme, the message does not matter, only whether or not God choose the foreseen individual for salvation.
Paul drives an alternate view home in Philippians 1:15-18. Paul says it does not matter if you hear Christ proclaimed from a person motivated by compassion and good will or from a wolf in sheep's clothing, because the message is everything.
In Matthew 23:13 we read where folks have responded to the message and are actually in the process of entering heaven when they are blocked by false teachers. So either the folks had some spiritual ability or they had received "irresistible grace" but then the grace could not have irresistible for they were blocked.
Bottom line, the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation.
Beware of False Teachers
Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....
2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
Matthew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Consider who denies Jesus bought those heading for swift destruction with the false doctrine of limited atonement.
2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
Clearly then, the gospel of Christ can be corrupted by the traditions of men, and the results can prevent folks from entering heaven. So we should stick with what the Bible says, and not add stuff never mentioned in the Bible, such as the folks of Matthew 23:13 entered heaven later. We are to believe what it says, not believe in things not said. Extrapolations based on logical necessity are fine, but saying one of a number of possible extrapolations is doctrine is unsound.
Then, again according to the outdated view, those individuals that were pre-selected before creation to be saved, are altered supernaturally by irresistible grace, such that they come to Christ. In such a scheme, the message does not matter, only whether or not God choose the foreseen individual for salvation.
Paul drives an alternate view home in Philippians 1:15-18. Paul says it does not matter if you hear Christ proclaimed from a person motivated by compassion and good will or from a wolf in sheep's clothing, because the message is everything.
In Matthew 23:13 we read where folks have responded to the message and are actually in the process of entering heaven when they are blocked by false teachers. So either the folks had some spiritual ability or they had received "irresistible grace" but then the grace could not have irresistible for they were blocked.
Bottom line, the gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation.
Beware of False Teachers
Matthew 7:15,16 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits....
2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
Acts 20:29-31 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves . Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
Matthew 15:9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Consider who denies Jesus bought those heading for swift destruction with the false doctrine of limited atonement.
2 Peter 3:16,17 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.
Clearly then, the gospel of Christ can be corrupted by the traditions of men, and the results can prevent folks from entering heaven. So we should stick with what the Bible says, and not add stuff never mentioned in the Bible, such as the folks of Matthew 23:13 entered heaven later. We are to believe what it says, not believe in things not said. Extrapolations based on logical necessity are fine, but saying one of a number of possible extrapolations is doctrine is unsound.
Or some human pride