Do You believe in God?

[Charlie24]

I’m with you here. On another thread on a different angle or portion of soteriology I was reading and rereading what SG said and what I said. I know nobody agrees on everything but sometimes it seems like nobody agrees on anything! When you find someone who agrees with you on one little detail of something it becomes shocking.
I have said before and still say that Calvinists haven’t got everything wrong. Some of the things they have quite right. But not enough for me to say I am Calvinist.
But don’t worry too much. It’s a good thing when Christians find something that they can fellowship about without (aggressive?) discussion.

Very well said, Ben!

I would be lying if I didn't admit I have much in common with the Calvinists, the hard core fundamentalism is alive and well.

I just wish we didn't have predestination standing between us.

 

[Ben1445]

Very well said, Ben!

I would be lying if I didn't admit I have much in common with the Calvinists, the hard core fundamentalism is alive and well.

I just wish we didn't have predestination standing between us.

Specifically the predestination in relation to salvation.
I believe in predestination in relation to adoption. That is biblically sound.
But some would hand the meaning of Scripture to say “whom he did predestinate, them He did foreknow.” And with their relationship definition of knowing, it says something completely different in their predestination.

 

[Charlie24]

Specifically the predestination in relation to salvation.
I believe in predestination in relation to adoption. That is biblically sound.
But some would hand the meaning of Scripture to say “whom he did predestinate, them He did foreknow.” And with their relationship definition of knowing, it says something completely different in their predestination.

How they can be so Biblically sound, but yet see the God of the Bible in way they do in their version of predestination is just unbelievable.

It's one of the few arguments where I have to watch myself, I can go over the edge.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Very well said, Ben!

I would be lying if I didn't admit I have much in common with the Calvinists, the hard core fundamentalism is alive and well.

I just wish we didn't have predestination standing between us.

You have to believe in predestination in some form (IMO) seeing it is in there. Some see that the plan was what was predestined. Others see that Christ was predestined and those who are saved then become predestined. Others will say God looked through the corridors of time and saw who would believe and predestined them. Then there is the corporate view of election and God predestining them via that means. So, I do not think it is wise for ppl to deny predestination completely (again, IMO), seeing it is in the bible.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Very well said, Ben!

I would be lying if I didn't admit I have much in common with the Calvinists, the hard core fundamentalism is alive and well.

I just wish we didn't have predestination standing between us.

There is one on here who brings Calvinism into virtually every thread he posts in. In the Bible Translation thread he did that very thing. What does Calvinism have to do with that?!?!?! It doesn't. If you and I were in a thread discussing pizza recipes, he would chime in, "So, what you're saying is the crust will rise before you even turn the oven on?" That's typical of you Calvinists!" He has a rather unhealthy obsession with that subject, and I ain't referring to pizza recipes, either.

 

[Charlie24]

You have to believe in predestination in some form (IMO) seeing it is in there. Some see that the plan was what was predestined. Others see that Christ was predestined and those who are saved then become predestined. Others will say God looked through the corridors of time and saw who would believe and predestined them. Then there is the corporate view of election and God predestining them via that means. So, I do not think it is wise for ppl to deny predestination completely (again, IMO), seeing it is in the bible.

Yes, predestiation is Biblical. I have given my version of it many times on BB.

Well, I didn't come up with it, it's the work of many scholars.

 

[Charlie24]

There is one on here who brings Calvinism into virtually every thread he posts in. In the Bible Translation thread he did that very thing. What does Calvinism have to do with that?!?!?! It doesn't. If you and I were in a thread discussing pizza recipes, he would chime in, "So, what you're saying is the crust will rise before you even turn the oven on?" That's typical of you Calvinists!" He has a rather unhealthy obsession with that subject, and I ain't referring to pizza recipes, either.

Sounds like someone I know an agree with. I used to be the same way, just ask Ky.

LOL, I remember K replying with something like, "all that comes out of that claptrap is Calvinism."

 

[Van]

What you've posted is Van's opinion! I've studied the Scripture all my life and I don't understand the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and neither do you! It was never explained to us.

It seems you've taken it upon yourself to determine what man must believe to be saved, I suppose you know more about than Paul?

Once again this poster addresses me and not the topic. I believe scripture teaches believers must believe in the Trinity, One God is three Persons.

The OP presented supporting quotes from scripture.

This poster did not deny Jesus is God. Did not deny the One who sent Jesus is God. And did Not deny the Holy Spirit is a Person of God.

So what is his objection?

 

[Van]

Van many people have been saved and never knew of the trinity or do you think none of the OT saints were saved?

And in the present day people are saved through faith in Christ Jesus. Later they will learn more and have the Trinity explained but knowing about the Trinity is not a requirement for ones salvation.

Yes, you may be correct, under the Old Covenant I do see scriptural evidence of the requirement to believe in the Trinity.

But here again is my belief as stated in the OP:

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Can we be saved if we do NOT believe in the Trinity, One God in three Persons? Of course not. ​

Perhaps not made clear, but I was referring to the here and now under the New Covenant.

 

[Charlie24]

Once again this poster addresses me and not the topic. I believe scripture teaches believers must believe in the Trinity, One God is three Persons.

The OP presented supporting quotes from scripture.

This poster did not deny Jesus is God. Did not deny the One who sent Jesus is God. And did Not deny the Holy Spirit is a Person of God.

So what is his objection?

Come on Van, is it really "this poster is addressing me and not the topic" again?

You know my objection, you can't help but know it, I made it very clear.

 

[Van]

Come on Van, is it really "this poster is addressing me and not the topic" again?

You know my objection, you can't help but know it, I made it very clear.

You are addressing me and not the topic. You seem to be actually trying to derail biblical discussion because of personal animosity.

This poster did not deny Jesus is God. Did not deny the One who sent Jesus is God. And did Not deny the Holy Spirit is a Person of God.

So what is his objection?

And to repeat, the Trinity is not complicated to a child, and we must believe as a child. If we do NOT believe in God as revealed in scripture, we are NOT saved.

The Father is God = Person #1
The Son is God = Person #2
The Holy Spirit is God = Person #3

 

[Charlie24]

You are addressing me and not the topic. You seem to be actually trying to derail biblical discussion because of personal animosity.

This poster did not deny Jesus is God. Did not deny the One who sent Jesus is God. And did Not deny the Holy Spirit is a Person of God.

So what is his objection?

And to repeat, the Trinity is not complicated to a child, and we must believe as a child. If we do NOT believe in God as revealed in scripture, we are NOT saved.

The Father is God = Person #1
The Son is God = Person #2
The Holy Spirit is God = Person #3

Folks, once again this poster is addressing me and not the topic.

He's pretending not to know anything I was talking about.

 

[Van]

Folks, once again this poster is addressing me and not the topic.

He's pretending not to know anything I was talking about.

Troll Alert!

Off topic effort to hinder biblical discussion.

This poster did not deny Jesus is God. Did not deny the One who sent Jesus is God. And did Not deny the Holy Spirit is a Person of God.

So what is his objection?

And to repeat, the Trinity is not complicated to a child, and we must believe as a child. If we do NOT believe in God as revealed in scripture, we are NOT saved.

The Father is God = Person #1
The Son is God = Person #2
The Holy Spirit is God = Person #3

 

[Charlie24]

Troll Alert!

Off topic effort to hinder biblical discussion.

This poster did not deny Jesus is God. Did not deny the One who sent Jesus is God. And did Not deny the Holy Spirit is a Person of God.

So what is his objection?

And to repeat, the Trinity is not complicated to a child, and we must believe as a child. If we do NOT believe in God as revealed in scripture, we are NOT saved.

The Father is God = Person #1
The Son is God = Person #2
The Holy Spirit is God = Person #3

Paul never said we had to believe the Trinity to be saved, Van said that!

Here's what Paul said.

Romans 10:9-10

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

 

[Van]

Paul never said we had to believe the Trinity to be saved, Van said that!

Here's what Paul said.

Romans 10:9-10

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Folks, Romans 10:9-10 REQUIRES belief in the Trinity!

 

[Charlie24]

Folks, Romans 10:9-10 REQUIRES belief in the Trinity!

Paul closed out his epistles and never told us that.

Why don't you show us in Scripture where we must beleive the Trinity to be saved?

 

[Van]

Paul closed out his epistles and never told us that.

Why don't you show us in Scripture where we must beleive the Trinity to be saved?

Folks, Romans 10:9-10 REQUIRES belief in the Trinity!

And Paul wrote Romans 10:9-10!

This poster did not deny Jesus is God. Did not deny the One who sent Jesus is God. And did Not deny the Holy Spirit is a Person of God.

So what is his objection?

And to repeat, the Trinity is not complicated to a child, and we must believe as a child. If we do NOT believe in God as revealed in scripture, we are NOT saved.

The Father is God = Person #1 (God raised Jesus from the dead. we must believe that to be saved.)
The Son is God = Person #2 (Jesus is God incarnate, we must believe that He is Lord to be saved.)
The Holy Spirit is God = Person #3

 

[37818]

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@Charlie24,
Do you know the difference between:
1) Trinity
2) Tritheism
3) Modalism


Do you agree that
1) God the Father is a distinct Person
2) The Son of God is a distinct Person
3) The Holy Spirit is a distinct Person

 

[Charlie24]

Folks, Romans 10:9-10 REQUIRES belief in the Trinity!

And Paul wrote Romans 10:9-10!

This poster did not deny Jesus is God. Did not deny the One who sent Jesus is God. And did Not deny the Holy Spirit is a Person of God.

So what is his objection?

And to repeat, the Trinity is not complicated to a child, and we must believe as a child. If we do NOT believe in God as revealed in scripture, we are NOT saved.

The Father is God = Person #1 (God raised Jesus from the dead. we must believe that to be saved.)
The Son is God = Person #2 (Jesus is God incarnate, we must believe that He is Lord to be saved.)
The Holy Spirit is God = Person #3

You can't show us, Van because it's not there!

What you're teaching is called false doctrine in the Bible!

It comes from Church indoctrination, a Church that is on the wrong path.

 

[37818]

@Van,
How do you argue you are are Trinitarian in distinction from a Tritheist?