Ben1445
Well-Known Member
I am not making anything up. You said this.1) What has gotten into you, Sir? Did I say it is "so important that we understand the Trinity?" Nope Why are you addressing made up claims?
does scripture require belief in the Holy Spirit? Yes.
And this…
And this…Can we be saved if we do NOT believe in the Trinity, One God in three Persons? Of course not.
And then you said it again…Folks, Romans 10:9-10 REQUIRES belief in the Trinity!
Also this…Folks, Romans 10:9-10 REQUIRES belief in the Trinity!
And this…we need to present the gospel to those who deny God in three Persons.
So either you don’t remember what you have said or you don’t realize the natural conclusion and consequence of what you have said.we must believe in the Trinity.
Because people under the old covenant were saved in a different way?? They were not.2) Next you seek to establish New Covenant requirements using Old Covenant examples. I provided the NT verses that established the requirement to "believe" in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why not address them?
Just that given your hermeneutical interpretation, I have reason now to doubt the salvation of the Philippian jailer.3) Do you actually think if one verse says you must believe "on the Lord Jesus" that means you do NOT need to believe in the One who sent Him.
That sort of Hermeneutic is absurd. A proper interpretation would be consistent with "ALL" verses, contextually considered.
I don’t really, but if I agreed with you I would have reason to.
Not a false claim. Just an assurance that we both believe in the Trinity.4) Did I say or suggest you were denying the Trinity? Another false claim.
Calm down and don’t assume that everyone is attacking you all the time.
That is good. I would be worried if you did.5) Did I say the Holy Spirit was raised again? Nope
But you missed the point since you think you are being attacked.
The Holy Spirit is not the source of salvation. Jesus Christ died for us. It is Christ who we must believe in. There is no requirement for us to believe on the name of the Holy Spirit.
If I were to ever figure out your full name, would that mean that I have been talking to someone else?
Not at all. I have only learned about the person I speak to.
If I learn about the God I trust in, it doesn’t change the God I have trusted in.
If I am willing only for a god of preference to be a certain person then I may have created a new god. But to learn about God in entirety or even to a certain degree is not laid out anywhere. If I am mistaken, show me where.
Thank you, your eminence for gracing my post.6) Let us try to make something useful from your post
, let us discuss Acts 16:31:
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” NASB
a) Your translation is correct, the verse should be translated believe "on" the Lord Jesus."
b) The TR and MT have "Christ" but the CT does not. Not at issue in this discussion.
Does any of this have anything to do with the question raised?c) The "will be" or "shall be" saved is a future passive action, and is NOT the action of "believing."
d) The verse does not indicate whether the believing is in the opinion of the individual or of God. But other verses clearly teach God decides whose belief will be credited as righteousness.
e) Here the "household" refers to those among his spiritual family, thus all those who believe as determined by God will be saved.
No. Everything that is supposed to make value from my post is off topic.