Do You believe in God?

[canadyjd]

Did you accept on faith, rather than theological mumble-jumbo that God the Father raised God the Son from the dead using the power of the Holy Spirit? I did!

Did I understand the Trinity Triangle? Nope, I had no idea. But I believed Jesus was sent by the Father. When I was water baptized, I thought I understood the meaning of "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." (Yes it was that long ago.)

You seem to believe your salvation experience is a template by which everyone else must follow

I knew a man, good guy nice Christian, that believed you must weep when you are saved because he did. Repentance requires weeping.

He refused to believe folks were saved if they didn’t weep at salvation

Peace to you

 

[Ascetic X]

Now Jesus cried out and said, “The one who believes in Me, does not believe only in Me, but also in Him who sent Me.

This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

In summary, the Holy Spirit's power was used to raise Jesus from the dead. And we must believe in the One who raised Jesus from the dead. Those that claim we do not need to believe in the Father who sent Jesus, or the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus have something to learn about the gospel.

Not seeing any verse that specifically states it was a person called the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead.

God the Father seems to be implied as the person who raised Jesus from the dead.

Romans 8:11 (NIV): And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Romans 10:9 (NIV): If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Jesus states that He will raise Himself from the dead.

John 2:19,21

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

But he spake of the temple of his body.

 

[37818]

Not seeing any verse that specifically states it was a person called the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead.

KJV John 12:44, Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

 

[Ascetic X]

KJV John 12:44, Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

Your quote has nothing to do with

Not seeing any verse that specifically states it was a person called the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead.

 

[Van]

You seem to believe your salvation experience is a template by which everyone else must follow

I knew a man, good guy nice Christian, that believed you must weep when you are saved because he did. Repentance requires weeping.

He refused to believe folks were saved if they didn’t weep at salvation

Peace to you

You continue to make up false claims and attribute them to me.

I provided the explicit scriptures requiring faith in the God of the Bible, our Triune God.

 

[37818]

Not seeing any verse that specifically states it was a person called the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead.

KJV John 12:44, Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

Your quote has nothing to do with

Ok. I thought identifying the verse did.

 

[Van]

Not seeing any verse that specifically states it was a person called the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead.

God the Father seems to be implied as the person who raised Jesus from the dead.

Romans 8:11 (NIV): And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Romans 10:9 (NIV): If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Jesus states that He will raise Himself from the dead.

John 2:19,21

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

But he spake of the temple of his body.

1) Please stop beating around the bush, does scripture require belief in the Holy Spirit? Yes. Does our belief need to be perfect? Nope.

2) God the Father is the Person who sent (and gave) the Son. We must believe in the One who sent Jesus. Yes or No!

3) Do you have a problem understanding who raised Jesus from the dead? Why beat around the bush. How could Jesus raise Himself, John 10:17, and God the Father raise Him up, Galatians 1:1. Romans 8:11 says the Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead is living in a believer. Obviously our Triune God raised Jesus, Because God is Spirit, and the Spirit of the Father, and the Spirit of Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one essence. And I am not claiming our faith in Jesus requires this level of understanding. I am just explaining how to fit the 4 verses together (Acts2:24 says God raised Him) according to orthodoxy.

 

[Ben1445]

You continue to make up false claims and attribute them to me.

That should not bother you. It is the same way you post.

 

[Van]

That should not bother you. It is the same way you post.

More beating around the bush! That claim is not false.

Did you answer if you must believe in the Holy Spirit to be saved? Nope
Did you answer if we must believe in the One who sent Jesus to be saved? Nope
Did you answer if you have a problem with who raised Jesus from the dead? Nope

 

[Ben1445]

More beating around the bush! That claim is not false.

My “claim is not false.”

Truer words were never spoken.

Did you answer if you must believe in the Holy Spirit to be saved? Nope
Did you answer if we must believe in the One who sent Jesus to be saved? Nope
Did you answer if you have a problem with who raised Jesus from the dead? Nope

Just another post attacking me!!

 

[Ben1445]

I’m sorry for getting off topic. All this personal stuff is just taking a troll on me.
We are not commanded to believe on the Holy Spirit.
We come to the Father by the Son. The Comforter accompanies us because Jesus does not leave us comfortless.

But we are not told anywhere to believe on the Holy Spirit.

 

[Van]

In summary, the Holy Spirit's power was used to raise Jesus from the dead. And we must believe in the One who raised Jesus from the dead. To claim we do not need to believe in the One who raised Jesus from the dead is hogwash.

Romans 8:11 says the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, that lives in us raised Jesus from the dead. Full Stop

Those born anew are indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. Full Stop.

Those that claim scripture does not teach we need to believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are presenting false doctrine.

 

[Ben1445]

In summary, the Holy Spirit's power was used to raise Jesus from the dead. And we must believe in the One who raised Jesus from the dead. To claim we do not need to believe in the One who raised Jesus from the dead is hogwash.

Romans 8:11 says the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, that lives in us raised Jesus from the dead. Full Stop

Those born anew are indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God. Full Stop.

Those that claim scripture does not teach we need to believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are presenting false doctrine.

If it were so important that we understand the Trinity, wouldn’t it be spelled out so clearly as to not even be debatable?
Wouldn’t Adam have been called into question concerning the Trinity?
OT saints didn’t have a clear understanding of the Son, let alone the Spirit. No reasonable explanation for Trinity in the OT alone as a means of salvation or atonement.

What must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

No mention of the Father or the Spirit. The Spirit didn’t die for your sins to make an atonement.
The Spirit was not raised again.
No one is saying deny the Trinity.

The Spirit does not even teach of Himself. His goal is to point people towards the Christ.

 

[canadyjd]

You continue to make up false claims and attribute them to me.

I provided the explicit scriptures requiring faith in the God of the Bible, our Triune God.

I know, in your mind, you believe that to be true. You stated much more than faith in God is “required” for salvation.

You are demanding mental assent to specific theological facts that must be believed prior to salvation. Scripture clearly disagrees.

That is a very old heresy called “Sandemanism” named after the guy who believed it about 500 years ago. There is even a little song to help you remember..

**Mr. Sandeman, give me a dream… tell me I’m saved when I only agree…****

You are wrong. You are demanding specific knowledge as a requirement for salvation that goes beyond what is taught in scripture.

Your blindness to that reality does not change the truth of scripture.

Please feel free to yell…

Taint so…

Everybody’s picking on me….

Dauuuhhhh

I know you are but what am I ….

And all the rest of your scholarly input.

Peace to you

 

[Van]

If it were so important that we understand the Trinity, wouldn’t it be spelled out so clearly as to not even be debatable?
Wouldn’t Adam have been called into question concerning the Trinity?
OT saints didn’t have a clear understanding of the Son, let alone the Spirit. No reasonable explanation for Trinity in the OT alone as a means of salvation or atonement.

What must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

No mention of the Father or the Spirit. The Spirit didn’t die for your sins to make an atonement.
The Spirit was not raised again.
No one is saying deny the Trinity.

The Spirit does not even teach of Himself. His goal is to point people towards the Christ.

1) What has gotten into you, Sir? Did I say it is "so important that we understand the Trinity?" Nope Why are you addressing made up claims?

2) Next you seek to establish New Covenant requirements using Old Covenant examples. I provided the NT verses that established the requirement to "believe" in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why not address them?

3) Do you actually think if one verse says you must believe "on the Lord Jesus" that means you do NOT need to believe in the One who sent Him.
That sort of Hermeneutic is absurd. A proper interpretation would be consistent with "ALL" verses, contextually considered.

4) Did I say or suggest you were denying the Trinity? Another false claim.

5) Did I say the Holy Spirit was raised again? Nope

6) Let us try to make something useful from your post, let us discuss Acts 16:31:

They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” NASB ​

a) Your translation is correct, the verse should be translated believe "on" the Lord Jesus."
b) The TR and MT have "Christ" but the CT does not. Not at issue in this discussion.
c) The "will be" or "shall be" saved is a future passive action, and is NOT the action of "believing."
d) The verse does not indicate whether the believing is in the opinion of the individual or of God. But other verses clearly teach God decides whose belief will be credited as righteousness.
e) Here the "household" refers to those among his spiritual family, thus all those who believe as determined by God will be saved.

 

[Van]

I know, in your mind, you believe that to be true. You stated much more than faith in God is “required” for salvation.

You are demanding mental assent to specific theological facts that must be believed prior to salvation. Scripture clearly disagrees.

That is a very old heresy called “Sandemanism” named after the guy who believed it about 500 years ago. There is even a little song to help you remember..

**Mr. Sandeman, give me a dream… tell me I’m saved when I only agree…****

You are wrong. You are demanding specific knowledge as a requirement for salvation that goes beyond what is taught in scripture.

Your blindness to that reality does not change the truth of scripture.

Please feel free to yell…

Taint so…

Everybody’s picking on me….

Dauuuhhhh

I know you are but what am I ….

And all the rest of your scholarly input.

Peace to you

1) Did I state "much more than faith in God is "required" for salvation?" Nope Obfuscation on display.
2) I am agreeing with the cited scriptural requires of what must be believed to be saved. I have listed the verses.
3) Here, again is what I actually said:

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Did you accept on faith, rather than theological mumble-jumbo that God the Father raised God the Son from the dead using the power of the Holy Spirit? I did!​

Did I understand the Trinity Triangle? Nope, I had no idea. But I believed Jesus was sent by the Father. When I was water baptized, I thought I understood the meaning of "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." (Yes it was that long ago.) ​

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[Van]

When those born anew witness to the lost with the message of reconciliation, we are to present "all that Jesus commanded." Such as Matthew 12:31-32. Beware of those who deny the Word of God.

Christ's miracles, including arising from the dead, were performed by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[canadyjd]

1) Did I state "much more than faith in God is "required" for salvation?" Nope Obfuscation on display.

You did say much more than faith in God is necessary for salvation, but then attempted to walk it back when you were called out.

Not only do you rewrite scripture to conform to your beliefs, you deny your own posts to conform to the immediate argument.

2) I am agreeing with the cited scriptural requires of what must be believed to be saved. I have listed the verses.

No, you are claiming the verses you cited support your assertions. When it is pointed out the verses you cited are NOT speaking of a REQUIREMENT for salvation, you simply refuse to acknowledge what is clear to everyone else, obfuscate, deflect, call names, impugn, and above all else you DO NOT even attempt to explain HOW those verses are giving a requirement for salvation beyond what Paul clearly stated.

3) Here, again is what I actually said:

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Did you accept on faith, rather than theological mumble-jumbo that God the Father raised God the Son from the dead using the power of the Holy Spirit? I did!​

Good for you. No problem so far.

Did I understand the Trinity Triangle? Nope, I had no idea. But I believed Jesus was sent by the Father. ​

Ok, no problem so far, unless you are claiming a person MUST believe Jesus was sent by the Father or they cannot be saved. Then we have an issue.

When I was water baptized, I thought I understood the meaning of "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." (Yes it was that long ago.) ​

Water baptism isn’t required for salvation.


Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

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Can we be saved if we do NOT believe in the Trinity, One God in three Persons? Of course not.

This is part of your opening post.

This is from your post #96

3) Here, again is what I actually said:
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Did I understand the Trinity Triangle? Nope, I had no idea. ​

By your own statement you did not believe in the Trinity (you had no idea) when you were saved, yet you have attempted to impose it on others as a requirement for salvation.

Frankly, I think you just post so much cowpie you can’t keep up with what you have stated in the same thread, much less previous threads.

As the Proverb says, “when there are many words, transgression is inevitable.”

You prove that Proverb with every thread you post.

I’m not saying this to shame you. Just to advise you to think before you post.

Peace to you