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Do You believe in God?

canadyjd

canadyjd

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Van said:
Did you accept on faith, rather than theological mumble-jumbo that God the Father raised God the Son from the dead using the power of the Holy Spirit? I did!

Did I understand the Trinity Triangle? Nope, I had no idea. But I believed Jesus was sent by the Father. When I was water baptized, I thought I understood the meaning of "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." (Yes it was that long ago.)
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You seem to believe your salvation experience is a template by which everyone else must follow

I knew a man, good guy nice Christian, that believed you must weep when you are saved because he did. Repentance requires weeping.

He refused to believe folks were saved if they didn’t weep at salvation

Peace to you
 
Ascetic X

Ascetic X

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Van said:
Now Jesus cried out and said, “The one who believes in Me, does not believe only in Me, but also in Him who sent Me.

This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

In summary, the Holy Spirit's power was used to raise Jesus from the dead. And we must believe in the One who raised Jesus from the dead. Those that claim we do not need to believe in the Father who sent Jesus, or the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus have something to learn about the gospel.
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Not seeing any verse that specifically states it was a person called the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead.

God the Father seems to be implied as the person who raised Jesus from the dead.

Romans 8:11 (NIV): And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Romans 10:9 (NIV): If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Jesus states that He will raise Himself from the dead.

John 2:19,21

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

But he spake of the temple of his body.
 
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Van

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canadyjd said:
You seem to believe your salvation experience is a template by which everyone else must follow

I knew a man, good guy nice Christian, that believed you must weep when you are saved because he did. Repentance requires weeping.

He refused to believe folks were saved if they didn’t weep at salvation

Peace to you
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You continue to make up false claims and attribute them to me.

I provided the explicit scriptures requiring faith in the God of the Bible, our Triune God.
 
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Van

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Ascetic X said:
Not seeing any verse that specifically states it was a person called the Holy Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead.

God the Father seems to be implied as the person who raised Jesus from the dead.

Romans 8:11 (NIV): And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

Romans 10:9 (NIV): If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Jesus states that He will raise Himself from the dead.

John 2:19,21

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

But he spake of the temple of his body.
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1) Please stop beating around the bush, does scripture require belief in the Holy Spirit? Yes. Does our belief need to be perfect? Nope.

2) God the Father is the Person who sent (and gave) the Son. We must believe in the One who sent Jesus. Yes or No!

3) Do you have a problem understanding who raised Jesus from the dead? Why beat around the bush. How could Jesus raise Himself, John 10:17, and God the Father raise Him up, Galatians 1:1. Romans 8:11 says the Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead is living in a believer. Obviously our Triune God raised Jesus, Because God is Spirit, and the Spirit of the Father, and the Spirit of Christ, and the Holy Spirit are one essence. And I am not claiming our faith in Jesus requires this level of understanding. I am just explaining how to fit the 4 verses together (Acts2:24 says God raised Him) according to orthodoxy.
 
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Van

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Ben1445 said:
That should not bother you. It is the same way you post.
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More beating around the bush! That claim is not false.

Did you answer if you must believe in the Holy Spirit to be saved? Nope
Did you answer if we must believe in the One who sent Jesus to be saved? Nope
Did you answer if you have a problem with who raised Jesus from the dead? Nope
 
Ben1445

Ben1445

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Van said:
More beating around the bush! That claim is not false.
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My “claim is not false.”

Truer words were never spoken.

Van said:
Did you answer if you must believe in the Holy Spirit to be saved? Nope
Did you answer if we must believe in the One who sent Jesus to be saved? Nope
Did you answer if you have a problem with who raised Jesus from the dead? Nope
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Just another post attacking me!!:Rolleyes
 
Ben1445

Ben1445

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I’m sorry for getting off topic. All this personal stuff is just taking a troll on me.
We are not commanded to believe on the Holy Spirit.
We come to the Father by the Son. The Comforter accompanies us because Jesus does not leave us comfortless.

But we are not told anywhere to believe on the Holy Spirit.
 
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