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Do You believe in God?
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Not a shred of useful information Sir, just disparaging claims.
Sadly, I think you may be revealing more than you intended...
No need, as we need to present the gospel to those who deny God in three Persons.
Let me explain something, Brother.
The Trinity is one of the many things the believer learns to treasure in their hearts through the sanctification of the Spirit while growing in grace after salvation. We can't make these things a must for salvation for the unknowledgeable to know before salvation.
It's wrong and can hinder one's growing in grace. That knowledge comes through sound doctrinal preaching.
I think the difference is Van is making it a requirement to believe in the Trinity before they are saved, provided I’ve understood him correctly. That is not taught in the Bible that I know of. However, I do believe in time the person will come to grasp the Trinity as a proof of salvation.
Jesus heard that they had put him out, and finding him, He said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” He answered, “Who is He, Lord, that I may believe in Him?” Jesus said to him, “You have both seen Him, and He is the one who is talking with you.” And he said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped Him.[John 9:35-38]
They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”[Acts 16:31]
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[Romans 10:8-13]
In those three places, we see belief in the Lord Jesus, and not the Trinity, as being necessary in being saved.
canadyjd
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Paul gave what was of first importance:
Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures
He was buried and raised from the dead, according to the scripture
He was seen, after His resurrection by more than 500 people that knew He had died.
If you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
So don’t make salvation more complicated than what scripture reveals.
God Holy Spirit will guide believers into all truth.
If you study well, and accept what scripture reveals, you will accept the Trinity.
And eventually, you will accept the doctrines of grace
Peace to you
Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures
He was buried and raised from the dead, according to the scripture
He was seen, after His resurrection by more than 500 people that knew He had died.
If you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
So don’t make salvation more complicated than what scripture reveals.
God Holy Spirit will guide believers into all truth.
If you study well, and accept what scripture reveals, you will accept the Trinity.
And eventually, you will accept the doctrines of grace
Peace to you
canadyjd
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You are correct. It is difficult to comprehend.
I have found comfort in the idea that God must always condescend to us.
That is, God is so different from anyone else that exists (He is truly unique) that He must refer to Himself in ways we can understand.
He is Father, which is true but not exhaustive. He is Son, which is true but not exhaustive. He is Holy Spirit which is true but not exhaustive. All three truths help us to understand Him, and develop a relationship which He desires.
He is Love. He is Life. He is the Beginning and the End. And much much more.
Complete understanding, which is what I think you are saying, is not possible this side of heaven and may never be possible because of our limited ability to comprehend the infinite God.
Peace to you
That's some good preaching right there!
Ascetic X
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I do not think one must believe in the Trinity to be saved. But a saved person will eventually accept God being triune.
One God existing as 3 different people is impossible to understand. Trinity does not correspond to any sentient entity in the known world. Every entity is only one person, not two or three.
Trinity makes no sense, yet the Bible implies it. It is illogical. Just like speaking this vast, complex universe into being. It is mind-boggling.
I have read books of theology devoted to the trinity and they just make it more confusing. I cannot picture it in my imagination, how three people can be one entity called God.
I disbelieved the trinity after doing much research. But later, I decided trinity was true, because so many Bible teachers throughout history said so. Plus, there are clear verses on Jesus being God in the flesh. Trinity is a theological concept that is not immediately obvious or explainable.
We cannot understand how one man’s death on the cross paid for our sins and the sins of the entire world. We cannot comprehend eternity or trinity. Some things are frustratingly difficult to deal with mentally, but we accept them by faith.
One God existing as 3 different people is impossible to understand. Trinity does not correspond to any sentient entity in the known world. Every entity is only one person, not two or three.
Trinity makes no sense, yet the Bible implies it. It is illogical. Just like speaking this vast, complex universe into being. It is mind-boggling.
I have read books of theology devoted to the trinity and they just make it more confusing. I cannot picture it in my imagination, how three people can be one entity called God.
I disbelieved the trinity after doing much research. But later, I decided trinity was true, because so many Bible teachers throughout history said so. Plus, there are clear verses on Jesus being God in the flesh. Trinity is a theological concept that is not immediately obvious or explainable.
We cannot understand how one man’s death on the cross paid for our sins and the sins of the entire world. We cannot comprehend eternity or trinity. Some things are frustratingly difficult to deal with mentally, but we accept them by faith.
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