Ascetic X
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In this case, the people who fell backward were not seeking a blessing, but were there to do evil to Jesus, to arrest Him.
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Being slain in the Spirt
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I don’t see the similarity. Those people were there to arrest the Lord. The people in church profess to be worshiping the Lord. No comparison.
Ascetic X
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There is no similarity between current slaying in the spirit nonsense and people who came to arrest Jesus falling backwards.
There is no evidence in the Bible of laying hands on individuals and them falling backwards in a paralyzed or trance state.
While some try to connect it to revival scenes in the 18th and 19th centuries, such as the Cane Ridge Revival of 1801 where people swooned, shouted, or fell under emotional intensity, the specific language and ritual of being “slain in the Spirit” was popularized in the 1960s and 1970s through the Pentecostal and later Charismatic movements. Figures like Kathryn Kuhlman and later Benny Hinn made it central to their ministries, turning it into a visible “sign” of the Spirit’s presence.
Historically, it is not found in the Apostolic era, nor in the early church fathers, but emerges much later as a phenomenon in revivalist and charismatic culture.
Why it is not biblical — there is no command, no promise, and no consistent example in Scripture of believers being pushed down or falling backward as a normative sign of the Spirit’s power.
The Pentecostal movement officially began in Topeka Kansas in 1901 when Agnes Osmond (not sure about the spelling) spoke in tongues at Charles Parham's Beth-el Bible college in an all night tarrying meeting, according to some. This is the same year that the ASB was published, the beginning of the attack in America. It is hard to say what was the more destructive movement but my vote is for the translations, paraphrase, etc. because they have an affect on all churches. There must have been some kind of spiritual transition in the heavenlies along about that time.
That is my take on it and now few seems to believe the words in the Bibles nor do they discern context and divisions.
Cannot believe you went here from the truth of the errors in Pentecostalism to equate that with KJVO position as the main explanation
I guess there may be instances of it being real. What I have personally seen sure had a lot of signs of being fake. (Looking to make sure catcher was there before falling, etc)
I can't say for sure though.
From a book published in 1878:
"There was in attendance at one of these Camp Meetings, a Baptist gentleman, who, for many years, had delighted in criticising his Methodist neighbors on account of their noisy meetings, their shouting, and their sometimes falling, like men slain in battle, under the influence of the presence and power of God. Under a searching sermon, preached at 11 o'clock A. M., Sabbath, this brother was smitten by the Holy Spirit, and fell prostrate upon the ground. His Baptist friends gathered around him, overwhelmed with grief and fear, while the hearts of his Methodist friends were thrilled with holy delight. After he had lain upon the ground for some time, I pressed through the crowd, and was standing by his side as he opened his eyes. Seeing me, he said, ‘Brother Brown, what shall I do? I feel as though I wanted to shout, Glory!' I replied, 'If Joshua says shout, you may shout as loud as you please.' And he did shout, with all his heart and strength. But, at his first shout of ‘Glory!' his Baptist friends forsook him and fled."
"There was in attendance at one of these Camp Meetings, a Baptist gentleman, who, for many years, had delighted in criticising his Methodist neighbors on account of their noisy meetings, their shouting, and their sometimes falling, like men slain in battle, under the influence of the presence and power of God. Under a searching sermon, preached at 11 o'clock A. M., Sabbath, this brother was smitten by the Holy Spirit, and fell prostrate upon the ground. His Baptist friends gathered around him, overwhelmed with grief and fear, while the hearts of his Methodist friends were thrilled with holy delight. After he had lain upon the ground for some time, I pressed through the crowd, and was standing by his side as he opened his eyes. Seeing me, he said, ‘Brother Brown, what shall I do? I feel as though I wanted to shout, Glory!' I replied, 'If Joshua says shout, you may shout as loud as you please.' And he did shout, with all his heart and strength. But, at his first shout of ‘Glory!' his Baptist friends forsook him and fled."
Ascetic X
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When people get slain it is due to the direct instigation of another person, not a sovereign act of God. Invariably, charismatic people fall down when hands are laid on them. Sometimes a person is pushed. There are no examples in the Bible of people falling down when hands were laid on them.
There is no honoring of God when people fall down due to being slain in the spirit. It just looks ridiculous and not reverent.
There is no honoring of God when people fall down due to being slain in the spirit. It just looks ridiculous and not reverent.
And even under the preaching of a Council Member of Reformed fellowship The Gospel Coalition!!!
The pulpit 'whooping' of H.B. Charles gets spectators worked up into a such frenzy that one woman finally keels over and has to be covered with 'modesty blankets' as she's sprawled out writhing on the ground:
*H.B. Charles is Southern Baptist, and a past President of the SBC Pastors' Conference.
Ascetic X
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Being slain in the Spirit — literally. It involves giving up the ghost.
Acts 5:1-11
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
Acts 5:1-11
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet.
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
Craigbythesea
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I have been to a church in which the phenomenon occurred more than once. The church is no longer there. Many people were wonderfully saved in that church.
Craigbythesea
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Not true.
Ascetic X
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You deny the scripture I quoted? Acts 5:1-11. They were slain in the spirit, literally. They died.
Craigbythesea
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I know the difference between two very different and totally unrelated events.
Ascetic X
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The point is that if the Spirit actually slays you, your life will be over.
Being Slain in The Spirit, or pneumamortation, as practiced in some dubious churches, is not a blessing recorded in the Bible. And in none of the occurrences in the Bible does someone who “falls down” in the presence of God ever enjoy the experience.
In fact, it is universally explained as feeling dreadful, frightening, alarming, unpleasant.
“So I said: “Woe is me, for I am undone!” Isaiah 6:5 (see also Jer 6:22, 13:22, Job 42:5-6, Luke 5:8, Rev 1:17, etc).
All those who “fell down” experienced something that felt like “this is the end of me!” coupled with great fear!
It is clear biblically that coming into the presence of God, as a sinful creature, fully removes all strength from one’s body, and causes an immobility that is unpleasant.
No one can stand in the presence of God. I have never seen or read of it in The Bible that it ever happens on demand, as an ecstatic experience, in a worship setting, or performed by one individual laying hands on another. In fact, based on all biblical events, falling down was not sought after or enjoyed.
Matthew 28:2-4
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4 and for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
They “shook” because of FEAR, not a charlatan preacher blowing on them or laying hands on them at a pumped up service.
Again, Revelation 1:17 is NOT being “slain in the Spirit”. It is about seeing Jesus Christ in His glory and being terrified.
Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.”
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God killed them for lying to Him.