God looks backward to the Future

[KUWN]

Random thoughts on the limits God imposed upon man.

God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. God is present at the end right now and looks back on his creation. He may veto a few decisions we make but really God took care of that when he created mankind to be able to only make certain decisions.

God looks backward to all that occurs in this life from eternity future. He sees the future as that which has already happened in our finite world. Man sees it as Future and God sees it as history. So, when someone accepts Christ, God looks backward to see this event. He didn't cause the event, much like I didn't cause the Civil War.

God is the eternal NOW, he has already watched all events that take place in finite time. He does not cause a person to accept Christ. God not only saw the event of a person accepting Christ, and did not override the person's decision. Predestination is not to Salvation. We are predestined to be like Christ one day.

I watched the rerun of a football game last year. The game had already played when I watched it, but I didn't cause the team that won to win. It was already history. I didn't cause any part of the game.

God made us to live in a restricted earth. All decisions we make are known to God as he looks back on it from eternity future. God exercised his sovereignty when he created man to exist within certain limits. Man is not free to destroy the world. Man is free to act certain ways but God reserves the right to veto the decision. God never causes a person to be saved or lost. Man is free to make that decision. God will help all people to make the decision for Him, but he will not override a person's will in the area of salvation.

 

[JonC]

Here is a fun one.

Does God look back or does He know (omniscience)?

 

[Marooncat79]

God is eternal

There is no future or past w Him

 

[kyredneck]

God never causes a person to be saved or lost.

So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth. Ro 9:18

 

[kyredneck]

Random thoughts on the limits God imposed upon man.

Random thoughts on knowing the future:

9​	That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Ecc 1

 

[Marooncat79]

Random thoughts on the limits God imposed upon man.

God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. God is present at the end right now and looks back on his creation. He may veto a few decisions we make but really God took care of that when he created mankind to be able to only make certain decisions.

God looks backward to all that occurs in this life from eternity future. He sees the future as that which has already happened in our finite world. Man sees it as Future and God sees it as history. So, when someone accepts Christ, God looks backward to see this event. He didn't cause the event, much like I didn't cause the Civil War.

God is the eternal NOW, he has already watched all events that take place in finite time. He does not cause a person to accept Christ. God not only saw the event of a person accepting Christ, and did not override the person's decision. Predestination is not to Salvation. We are predestined to be like Christ one day.

I watched the rerun of a football game last year. The game had already played when I watched it, but I didn't cause the team that won to win. It was already history. I didn't cause any part of the game.

God made us to live in a restricted earth. All decisions we make are known to God as he looks back on it from eternity future. God exercised his sovereignty when he created man to exist within certain limits. Man is not free to destroy the world. Man is free to act certain ways but God reserves the right to veto the decision. God never causes a person to be saved or lost. Man is free to make that decision. God will help all people to make the decision for Him, but he will not override a person's will in the area of salvation.

Salvation is not by him that willeth or runneth, but of God who shows mercy

 

[Ben1445]

He didn't cause the event, much like I didn't cause the Civil War.

But surely since you know it, you must be the cause of it. For you to know something makes it concrete. And since you know it, you must have poured the concrete.

A very well made point. Great post!

 

[Ben1445]

Salvation is not by him that willeth or runneth, but of God who shows mercy

No one here says otherwise.

Ice cream is of the ice cream shop and not of him that wanteth or buyeth. But you must still answer the advertisement of the ice cream shop to obtain it.
The difference is that I can make my own ice cream and Jesus Christ is not selling salvation, rather, He is giving it to those who come to Him.

 

[Van]

Random thoughts on the limits God imposed upon man.

God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. God is present at the end right now and looks back on his creation. He may veto a few decisions we make but really God took care of that when he created mankind to be able to only make certain decisions.

God looks backward to all that occurs in this life from eternity future. He sees the future as that which has already happened in our finite world. Man sees it as Future and God sees it as history. So, when someone accepts Christ, God looks backward to see this event. He didn't cause the event, much like I didn't cause the Civil War.

God is the eternal NOW, he has already watched all events that take place in finite time. He does not cause a person to accept Christ. God not only saw the event of a person accepting Christ, and did not override the person's decision. Predestination is not to Salvation. We are predestined to be like Christ one day.

I watched the rerun of a football game last year. The game had already played when I watched it, but I didn't cause the team that won to win. It was already history. I didn't cause any part of the game.

God made us to live in a restricted earth. All decisions we make are known to God as he looks back on it from eternity future. God exercised his sovereignty when he created man to exist within certain limits. Man is not free to destroy the world. Man is free to act certain ways but God reserves the right to veto the decision. God never causes a person to be saved or lost. Man is free to make that decision. God will help all people to make the decision for Him, but he will not override a person's will in the area of salvation.

Here we have the false doctrine of time travel theology.

There is no basis in scripture for these science fiction claims.

Here the fiction is being offered as the instrument to nullify scripture. God supposedly knows the future, but this does not predestine that foreknown future. Poppycock!

Ask yourself, what scripture says our future has already happened. You can find it as 2 Made Up 6:7.

 

[Van]

God is eternal

There is no future or past w Him

God has no beginning, He always existed. God has no end, He will always exist. Do these truths support the idea that God's spiritual realm does not have sequence, first this, then that? Nope. It has been made up and then falsely claim. The souls in God's realm were aware of the passage of "time" because they asked "how long" would it be until something happened. See Revelation 6:10. There scripture teaches God's realm experiences "time" but perhaps not exactly the same as we experience within God's created realm.

 

[Van]

So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth. Ro 9:18

God has mercy of those whose faith He chooses to credit as righteousness, but He does not compel that person's belief.

 

[Van]

Ecclesiastes 1:9 NASB
What has been, it is what will be,
And what has been done, it is what will be done.
So there is nothing new under the sun.

Does this verse suggest the future may be completely predestined? Nope

Rather it teaches that the things done by humans in the past will be repeated by others in the future for we all lived our lives sinfully. In our fallen state, we are not somehow superior to those also in a fallen state in the past. What God has declared will happen in the future, will happen in the future. But all that God has not specifically declared, such as the outcome of each of our lives, has not been predestined.

 

[th1bill]

As I understand the concept, Yahweh created this Time/Space Continuum and that places Him outside our Timeline in order to create the Universe. In Isa 46:10 we learn that He knows the end from the beginning.

In Gal 5:13 we learn thar we, the Created Beings have self determination. Does Yahweh's Predetermination come in conflict with our Free Will? Actually, no!

Metaphores never work perfectly but consider a 4 hour saga on film and the public has never seen, even the clips yet. Even the actors are not certain
of the content because they were not present for the editing and composition.

The editor, creator of the product, knows the beginning from the end, and he directed, not a single frame of his work.

I can not explain the mechanism Yahweh used, some six thousand years ago to create us and all that we see... I might find time to ask Him when I go Home, I'll have time to listen then.

But the short of it all is, God knew that a young Atheist would find his friend blown to pieces in the middle of the night and having no one to curse he would curse the being he did not believe in and hearing that God speak to his spiritual heart and wet upon a 23 year search for the identity of God.

Did God force me to change and seekusand after Him, no. Did He know six thousand years or so ago that I would do so, yes. Can I explain this... nope but, by faith I accept it.

Bill Taylor
Killer Spade 806 CE 1969

 

[Marooncat79]

God has no beginning, He always existed. God has no end, He will always exist. Do these truths support the idea that God's spiritual realm does not have sequence, first this, then that? Nope. It has been made up and then falsely claim. The souls in God's realm were aware of the passage of "time" because they asked "how long" would it be until something happened. See Revelation 6:10. There scripture teaches God's realm experiences "time" but perhaps not exactly the same as we experience within God's created realm.

Van. There is no time w God

God created time that we as finite creatures can logically understand the world in which we live

 

[Ascetic X]

Random thoughts on the limits God imposed upon man.

God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. God is present at the end right now and looks back on his creation. He may veto a few decisions we make but really God took care of that when he created mankind to be able to only make certain decisions.

God looks backward to all that occurs in this life from eternity future. He sees the future as that which has already happened in our finite world. Man sees it as Future and God sees it as history. So, when someone accepts Christ, God looks backward to see this event. He didn't cause the event, much like I didn't cause the Civil War.

God is the eternal NOW, he has already watched all events that take place in finite time. He does not cause a person to accept Christ. God not only saw the event of a person accepting Christ, and did not override the person's decision. Predestination is not to Salvation. We are predestined to be like Christ one day.

I watched the rerun of a football game last year. The game had already played when I watched it, but I didn't cause the team that won to win. It was already history. I didn't cause any part of the game.

God made us to live in a restricted earth. All decisions we make are known to God as he looks back on it from eternity future. God exercised his sovereignty when he created man to exist within certain limits. Man is not free to destroy the world. Man is free to act certain ways but God reserves the right to veto the decision. God never causes a person to be saved or lost. Man is free to make that decision. God will help all people to make the decision for Him, but he will not override a person's will in the area of salvation.

I like this way of understanding how God perceives what is happening now as though it has already happened.

We assume that time, space, energy, and matter all began when God spoke the physical universe into being, bringing cosmos out of Logos (not out of nothing, for the Logos is something).

Language is the basis of all that exists, from DNA to the voice or articulation of God’s glory in outer space, the vast array of galaxies making it very clear with whom we are dealing when we pray and study the Bible.

The idea that God looks backward to the present is a nice way for human language to try to express the paradoxical nature of God. It may not be exactly correct, but it seems to be headed in a good direction for comprehension. To God, the future has already happened, so He looks backward on it from His position outside and beyond time.

What will it be like to join him someday in the timeless state of eternity?

 

[Van]

Van. There is no time w God

God created time that we as finite creatures can logically understand the world in which we live

More claims for fiction, no biblical support offered. Ask yourselves why do the proponents not realize they bought an empty sack?

God created time as part of His creation of our universe. That simply does not address Revelation 6:10, where the passage of time exists in the spiritual kingdom of God.

Please accept this challenge, live by scripture, not conjecture.