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What Is a Jew or an Israelite?
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Really depends on who your asking… these rabbis all have different stances on what and what not is a true convert. But Ivanka is raising her children as Jews so…
not w/o Orthodox Rabbinical approval ( the ppl who sit on the Israel’s political boards). Look, they don’t even consider Reformed and Conservative branches to be authentic… even people who convert to Orthodox Judaism in other countries are scrutinized.
Ivanka was scrutinized… but politics plays a large part in all this. Should she wake up and find Jesus in her life, she can “resign” from Judaism.
For all intents and purposes, she is a Jew in the USA.
By the way, there a quite allot of Ethiopian (Black) Jews claiming inheritance to Israel. The Sephardic Jews in Israel had struggled initially with the Ashkenazi ( ie German, Polish, Russian etc Jews for voice in government.
These people are a mixed bag of cultures & bloodlines.
These people are a mixed bag of cultures & bloodlines.
Could this help?
Deuteronomy Chapter 32
5 | They have dealt corruptly with him, they are not his children, it is their blemish; They are a perverse and crooked generation. |
I’m wondering if most have never ventured into an orthodox Jewish neighborhood… we have then in Monsey Ny, Brooklyn and Lakewood. Here is a deep dive into those communities.
atpollard
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Tommy G was pretty biased in his presentation.
Just one example is where he spoke about Jewish people going into the West Bank and just "bulldozing" buildings and taking them from Palestinian Families living there. I just happen to know some of the facts about how complicated that issue really is. Prior to the invasion of Israel by Syria, there were Jewish families that purchased land and homes and lived in the West Bank. Then Syria marched in and drove the Jewish people out, reselling the property there (irrespective of who owned it, just because it was land conquered by Syria). Then Israel retook control of the land and drove Syria out of the territory. Israel (the government) then RECOGNIZED the claims of anyone that had a Syrian deed on land (meaning Jewish owners were simply out of luck) but many people had no deeds. Then some people built homes on land they dis not own but was owned bu Jewish people (who had Deeds for the land) but the Jewish people could not live in the West Bank (it was both unsafe and forbidden by the Government of Israel). Some Jewish owners became Landlords and rented their property to people living in the West Bank. Some renters stopped paying rent.
So describing the demolition of an illegal building by squatters on your property that refuse to pay rent as "Jewish Settlers bulldozing Palestinean homes" is a dishonest representation of the issue.
For all his "talk" about just wanting honest dialogue, Tommy was not honest and is was "just talk".
Armchair Apologist
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The blindness is partial until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Seems to me it would be both.
atpollard
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When will the LAST NON-JEW be saved [literally not one more gentile can/will accept salvation] so that the Blindness can be temporally lifted?
I just wonder if people have thought through how that could possibly work.
Armchair Apologist
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Was this even a priority to the diaspora Jews? If so, why were so many content to remain where they were after Cyrus made his decree and Jews were free to remain to their homeland?
Israel is a nation in this modern age but many Jews have no intention whatsoever in emigrating back to Israel to their "ancestral land." Why is this? What exactly are the priorities of a modern Jew?
Could it be that this so-called "slice of real estate" you are speaking of is more of a straw man argument for the anti-Zionists?
Armchair Apologist
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I haven't the slightest clue personally or perhaps I just do not care to speculate?
I know the Dispensationalists draw a more definite line - that according to them, one day God will be done with the Gentiles and will once again turn his attention to the Jews and classical dispensationalists would point to this being a pre-tribulational rapture of the Church marking this division.
And I do not think it has to happen as you are saying - that "not one more Gentile can or will accept salvation." Jews are being saved even today. The difference is that those who do come to faith in Christ are often cast out by whatever Jewish community they associate with and Jews like trying to say that proselyization of Jews to Christianity is tantamount to Genocide.
If the "end-time events" do pan out the way the dispensationalists believe, there will still be Gentiles coming to faith in Christ and I believe the book of Revelation makes this clear!
What is the fullness of the gentiles.
Yeah, i get that. Im talking about those who identify as Jews and are called Jews in everyday parlance.
It's definitely a priority for the majority of evangelicals today.
Armchair Apologist
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I believe I gave the Dispensationalist position (or at least as I understand it) but I would say it basically means what it says; That which God set out to do with the Gentiles when he graffed the wild branches into the Olive Tree (Rom 11:7-25).
And I would say that such thinking is definitely short-sided. I am not sure at all these days what the millennial kingdom will actually look like but I would guess the focus would be upon the king sitting on the throne and not the title deed that someone is holding in their hand.
I hate ai, except for its Internet search powers.
But...Hebrew, Israelite, Jew in practicality became synonymous. An Israelite was an heir to the land of Israel. An Hebrew was a child of Abraham. A Jew was one obligated to uphold the law delivered at Sinai. One didn't exist without the other.
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The Gospel was to the Jews first...not last.
You might need to think it through some more.
Armchair Apologist
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The phrase is "To the Jew first and also to the Greek" (Rom 1:16) almost as if Paul was speaking sarcastically that they were an "afterthought" but were they? Are you now going to become a practical "dispy" here and "dice and slice" the passage?
Paul's point was that in every city, he first went to the synagogues and preached Christ and when they rejected Christ, he went to the Gentiles. I am not getting how you are conflating this passage with Rom 11:25.
Simply put, the gospel message was taken to the Jew (first) and they rejected it so Paul went "also" to the Gentiles who in his time gladly received it. My understanding of Romans 11:25 is that God will come back around again to the "House of Israel" and at that time, they will look upon him whom they have pierced, the one who was "wounded in the house of his friends," and he will take away their heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh.