Boots on the Ground

[Conan]

That is the DNC Party Line but the Muslim Comunists now own the DNC

Billionaire Capitalist own the Democratic party.

 

[Salty]

LETS GET BACK ON OP! Which is Boots on the ground

other issues - start a new thread.

 

[Conan]

It would be insane to fight Iran with boots on the ground. It's in their country, not ours. We could not properly supply our troops. I know our troops would do as asked, but we would be putting them irresponsibly into harmes way unnecessarily. We should not ask our soldiers to fight for the billionaires. Our troops are too valuable to sacrifice to the ungodly. The Billionaires who do not even believe in God . Do not risk our people for such a cause. Do not abuse our troops.

 

[th1bill]

It would be insane to fight Iran with boots on the ground. It's in their country, not ours. We could not properly supply our troops. I know our troops would do as asked, but we would be putting them irresponsibly into harmes way unnecessarily. We should not ask our soldiers to fight for the billionaires. Our troops are too valuable to sacrifice to the ungodly. The Billionaires who do not even believe in God . Do not risk our people for such a cause. Do not abuse our troops.

As a Combat Veteran I urge you not to short sell our troops. Salty and I fought with the same Division and have witnessed nothing short of miracles and know that if we serve Yahweh that He will hand us victory.

 

[Conan]

As a Combat Veteran I urge you not to short sell our troops. Salty and I fought with the same Division and have witnessed nothing short of miracles and know that if we serve Yahweh that He will hand us victory.

I am not selling short our troops. But there is a reason there will not be boots on the ground. There is a reason we cannot attack militarily anymore. We are out of missiles . Trump/Hegseth wasted our stockpiles. I think Trump took bad advise. Was misinformed and deceived.

 

[Foxmeister]

As a Combat Veteran I urge you not to short sell our troops. Salty and I fought with the same Division and have witnessed nothing short of miracles and know that if we serve Yahweh that He will hand us victory.

War today is a lot different than today and fighting in the desert is a lot different than fighting in the jungle. Technology is a lot different today than it was when you and Salty served in Vietnam. Putting boots on the ground in Iran would result in thousands of US casualties in a short period of time. You can't compare this one to the first Gulf War or even when we invaded Iraq. The biggest threat to our troops would be the drones.

 

[Salty]

War today is a lot different than today and fighting in the desert is a lot different than fighting in the jungle. ...

Are you familliar with Ft Irwin, Calif? Most combat units spend about a month there ever 24-36 months.
Ft Irwin is the National Tng center for Desert Training. The vast majority of 1,000 square mile post is desert.
Our troops have been training there since the early '80's. ( have been there myself - in AUGUST!)
Our troops ARE trained in Desert Warfare!

If we sent in Boot- of course there will be deaths - but do we need another 3,000 deaths in a "Twin Towers" disaster.
As Barney Fife would say - we need to nip it in the Bud! As I have stated before - after D- Day (with 4,414 allied deaths) it took 9 months to end the war with an unconditional surrender.

Granted - things have changed in the past 80 years - but the DOD has kept up.

By the way - the USMC has desert training at nearby 29 Palms - which is also 1,000 square miles.

 

[Conan]

Are you familliar with Ft Irwin, Calif? Most combat units spend about a month there ever 24-36 months.
Ft Irwin is the National Tng center for Desert Training. The vast majority of 1,000 square mile post is desert.
Our troops have been training there since the early '80's. ( have been there myself - in AUGUST!)
Our troops ARE trained in Desert Warfare!

If we sent in Boot- of course there will be deaths - but do we need another 3,000 deaths in a "Twin Towers" disaster.
As Barney Fife would say - we need to nip it in the Bud! As I have stated before - after D- Day (with 4,414 allied deaths) it took 9 months to end the war with an unconditional surrender.

Granted - things have changed in the past 80 years - but the DOD has kept up.

By the way - the USMC has desert training at nearby 29 Palms - which is also 1,000 square miles.

Iran is mountains. We no longer have a gathering point for US Forces. Wherever we assembled incoming missiles would be inbound. We would be slaughtered before we even reached Iran. I don't want us to be slaughtered. That's one reason I am against what the United States is doing in Iran . Does not matter whether one is for war or against, we are at a huge disadvantage. Don't waste lives. Americans or Iranians. They are human beings.

Who's army marched across the Soviet Union and destroyed Berlin and made Hitler commit suicide to avoid capture? Who destroyed the German Army?

 

[Conan]

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[Ben1445]

Iran is mountains. We no longer have a gathering point for US Forces. Wherever we assembled incoming missiles would be inbound. We would be slaughtered before we even reached Iran. I don't want us to be slaughtered. That's one reason I am against what the United States is doing in Iran . Does not matter whether one is for war or against, we are at a huge disadvantage. Don't waste lives. Americans or Iranians. They are human beings.

Who's army marched across the Soviet Union and destroyed Berlin and made Hitler commit suicide to avoid capture? Who destroyed the German Army?

So are you saying send the Russians??

And the US had nothing to do with the fall of Germany? It was all Stalin just waltzing in with Hitler shaking in his boots?

I think you have conveniently misplaced some of history.

 

[Conan]

So are you saying send the Russians??

And the US had nothing to do with the fall of Germany? It was all Stalin just waltzing in with Hitler shaking in his boots?

I think you have conveniently misplaced some of history.

The USA helped immensely. Our ancestors used to call Stalin Uncle Joe. Without the Soviet Union we would have had it bad. We bombed Germany drawing off some of the German Air Force from the Eastern Front. We sent thousands of Studebaker Trucks to the Soviet Union which they used to outmaneuver and destroy Army Group Center of the Germans. 80 out of every 100 German soldiers were killed by the Soviets. Patton never faced what the Soviets did. They took on Nazi Germany and destroyed them. Yes they got help from us that they desperately needed. But they did the bulk of the fighting against Nazi Germany. You should study WW2 Nazi Germany where it really took place , the Eastern Front. Americans used to know this. We called Stalin uncle Joe when we needed him. There could never have been a D-Day without the Soviets winning the Battles of Moscow, Battle of Stalingrad, the Kursk bulge.

Army Groups North, Central and South contained 1 million men each, 3 million German Soldiers. They all got the bulk of almost all Germany resources and reinforcements. We never came close to fighting that many Germans. Just to put it in proper perspective.

 

[Ben1445]

The USA helped immensely. Our ancestors used to call Stalin Uncle Joe. Without the Soviet Union we would have had it bad. We bombed Germany drawing off some of the German Air Force from the Eastern Front. We sent thousands of Studebaker Trucks to the Soviet Union which they used to outmaneuver and destroy Army Group Center of the Germans. 80 out of every 100 German soldiers were killed by the Soviets. Patton never faced what the Soviets did. They took on Nazi Germany and destroyed them. Yes they got help from us that they desperately needed. But they did the bulk of the fighting against Nazi Germany. You should study WW2 Nazi Germany where it really took place , the Eastern Front. Americans used to know this. We called Stalin uncle Joe when we needed him. There could never have been a D-Day without the Soviets winning the Battles of Moscow, Battle of Stalingrad, the Kursk bulge.

Army Groups North, Central and South contained 1 million men each, 3 million German Soldiers. They all got the bulk of almost all Germany resources and reinforcements. We never came close to fighting that many Germans. Just to put it in proper perspective.

I’m familiar with the eastern front. I’m also not so chummy with communism that I would include myself with anyone as “we” in calling Stalin uncle Joe.

I’m not saying that we did it alone.
But you can’t rightly underestimate the impact of the US. We outproduced any other country. Arguably we brought morale to all our allies. There were some pretty amazing things that God used our nation to accomplish during WWII.

Your “Uncle Joe” killed way too many people in WWII. He is no hero. He was just “the enemy of my enemy.”

 

[Conan]

I’m familiar with the eastern front. I’m also not so chummy with communism that I would include myself with anyone as “we” in calling Stalin uncle Joe.

I’m not saying that we did it alone.
But you can’t rightly underestimate the impact of the US. We outproduced any other country. Arguably we brought morale to all our allies. There were some pretty amazing things that God used our nation to accomplish during WWII.

Your “Uncle Joe” killed way too many people in WWII. He is no hero. He was just “the enemy of my enemy.”

You are not aware of the Eastern Front. Or you would not talk like you do. American leadership called Stalin Uncle Joe back then. They were our ally back then. But we turned on them and started the cold war. That's not God's will. We escaped the damage of WW2 because of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Try and look at why things happen. Look at the evil we have done after WW2. It was not God that caused us to do evil.

 

[Ben1445]

You are not aware of the Eastern Front. Or you would not talk like you do. American leadership called Stalin Uncle Joe back then. They were our ally back then. But we turned on them and started the cold war. That's not God's will. We escaped the damage of WW2 because of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Try and look at why things happen. Look at the evil we have done after WW2. It was not God that caused us to do evil.

You don’t know much about your “Uncle Joe,” do you? You would not praise him so much if you actually realized how much like Hitler he was. You also have no idea what I am aware of.

You should look up the Katyn massacre. Your uncle’s doing. One of the atrocities of Russia during WWII against their own “allies.”
Again, Russia was only “the enemy of my enemy.” It was another form of proxy war which you hate so much.

 

[Ben1445]

You are not aware of the Eastern Front. Or you would not talk like you do. American leadership called Stalin Uncle Joe back then. They were our ally back then. But we turned on them and started the cold war. That's not God's will. We escaped the damage of WW2 because of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Try and look at why things happen. Look at the evil we have done after WW2. It was not God that caused us to do evil.

Oh yes, then there was your uncle Joe’s “Great Purge” in the thirties. Real nice guy. A pal and a trustworthy friend, no doubt.

 

[Conan]

You don’t know much about your “Uncle Joe,” do you? You would not praise him so much if you actually realized how much like Hitler he was. You also have no idea what I am aware of.

You should look up the Katyn massacre. Your uncle’s doing. One of the atrocities of Russia during WWII against their own “allies.”
Again, Russia was only “the enemy of my enemy.” It was another form of proxy war which you hate so much.

He is not my Uncle Joe. He was America's Uncle Joe back in WW2. It's not my phrase. I did not invent it, our leadership did. They were our ally in WW2. That is a plain fact. It does not matter what you think or what Stalin did or did not do after WW2. He was know as Uncle Joe to Americans during WW2. It is historical fact. I was not alive during WW2. So he was not my Uncle Joe. But he was America's Uncle Joe in WW2.

 

[Conan]

Oh yes, then there was your uncle Joe’s “Great Purge” in the thirties. Real nice guy. A pal and a trustworthy friend, no doubt.

He was probably a godless wicked man. But God used him to defeat Nazi Germany in WW2 nonetheless.

 

[Ben1445]

He was probably a godless wicked man. But God used him to defeat Nazi Germany in WW2 nonetheless.

I mention it all because you keep putting him up on a pedestal. There were some pretty dignified titles for Hitler too. Are you adamant that we also use those still? Is there ever a time to drop the terms of endearment?
I’m not against knowing the history. I am against making Stalin out to be a sainted ally.
The Soviet Union was nothing more than the enemy of our enemy. Since the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Russia made a good enough wartime ally. But when the Nazi enemy had been taken care of, it could not be any longer viewed as the enemy of my enemy. The atrocities of Communist Russia were continually being exposed and a division was not only reasonable, but right. The Katyn massacre was discovered by Germany in 1943 and upon investigation, even when Germany could have been an easy scapegoat, Russia was found to be guilty of the massacre of thousands of Polish officers. Russia was merely doing what Germany was doing, just not together. So we allowed Russia to be a wartime ally. We turned a blind eye to their actions because they were more helpful on our side than their own, we flattered them to get what we wanted during war.

There is no sugar coating communism.
It’s one thing to let it exist. It’s a whole other thing to congratulate it and elevate it. Frankly, communist Russia deserves the reputation it has. There is no reason to feel remorse for their having that reputation. They earned it.

But we have strayed from the OP again.

 

[Ben1445]

Iran does not seem to be bothered by our bombing.

Is it time to send boots on the ground?
I realizes that people do not want it - but.....

In WW2 - The allies bombed Germany for 15 months
Nine months after D-Day - the war ended with unconditional surrender.

As I said people may not like the boots - BUT is that the only way to end Iran?

12 Active Divisions, 8 NG Division , 3 "divisions" = seperate BDE + 4 USMC = 27 Total Divisions
(this is not counting seperate units which are combat - ie artillery, aviation ect.

I say start with about 5 division (US) + other countries, - and lets get this mission accomplished!
With 5 divisions as backup

What say you ?

I’m for a quick end.

It would end much quicker if we advertised that we lubricate our weapons with bacon grease. I know all the Trump haters hate this idea but here you go, here’s the story that says it didn’t originate with Pershing, though Pershing mentions the practice in his writings.

Pershing and His Pig's Blood Bullets - TogetherWeServed Blog

Learn the fascinating truth about Pershing and His Pig's Blood Bullets, the myths, tactics, and impact of the Moro Rebellion, on the TogetherWeServed Blog.

blog.togetherweserved.com

It wouldn’t hurt to try.