Featured Forsaken in Matthew 27:46

The "FEELING forgotten" is the feeling of broken fellowship or the lack of presence. That "FEELING" was due to sin and being left in agony was due to sin.

 

Jesus actually tasted Hell upon that cross during His 3 hours, as God the Father did literally turn His back upon His own Son during that time, and that separation was what Jesus feared/dreaded the most!

 

He who knew no sin become our sin bearer, and tasted death for all of us, so Jesus suffered and felt on the Cross same way a sinner will away from presense of God!
He always remained as being very God, being God the Son, but in his Humanity experienced and tasted what those whose sins He bore would have faced!

 

I did not ever say that Jesus had the Spriit leave Him, he NEVER ceased being God, but in His humanity, experienced what a sinner does separated from God for those 3 hours!

 

In Mark 4:38, we find the Lord Jesus asleep on a pillow. Why? Because He was tired. He was a Man and men get tired. He was Man as if He were not God. But a few minutes later He rises up and rebukes the storm, 'and there was a great calm.' Who can do that but God? He is God as though He were not Man.
But.........
'The everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, neither faints nor is weary' (Isaiah 40:28). So the Lord Jesus experienced something with His human nature (tiredness) that He did not experience with His divine nature.

 

Mar 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken G1459 me?


Act 2:27
Because thou wilt G1459 not leave G1459 my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. abandon, desert
   
   1. leave in straits, leave helpless
      
      
   2. totally abandoned, utterly forsaken
      
2. to leave behind among, to leave surviving

Pick which ever you prefer. Yet for three days and three nights the Son of God was in the state of whichever you picked.

After saying that unto his God he said, Father into your hands I commit my spirit and Jesus at that moment died and three days and three nights later God the Father by his Spirit raised Jesus from the dead.

Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

 

I have quoted it at minimum three different times! Don't you read the posts? Jesus grew in wisdom and in knowledge - divinity does not experience that as it is immutably omniscient.

 

Wrong! You are attempting to define the answer to the question by using another question or statement that describes the circumstances which are a result of being made sin when the text provides the answer "But thou art holy."

He committment his spirit into the hands of the Father ONLY after he said "it is finished" and not before. Before, he was regarded POSITIONALLY and LEGALLY as "sin" in the eyes of His Father - "made to be sin" POSITIONALLY. Not PERSONALLY as he was no sinner by PERSONAL choice or action.

Another absurdity and misrepresentation. There is no atonement apart from the legal satisfaction - period! Apart from the legal satisfaction it does not exist except in a distorted mind!

He gave him as a SIN OFFERING for the purpose to satisfy his wrath against our sins - meaning the Son suffered THE WRATH of God, was the object of God's Wrath on the cross - LEGALLY and POSITIONALLY considered. Personally considered, he was the sinless beloved Son of God who fulfilled his obligation in the eternal covenant. However, on the cross until he said "it is finished" God looked upon him as the object of the wrath and condemnation due to us by law.

It is not either or but BOTH! He did in fact look upon him as "made sin" LEGALLY and POSITIONALLY in our stead and He did INFLICT him and BRUISE him as a "sin offering." The wrath of the law was "satisified".

Your problem is that you are not distinguishing between his PERSON and his POSITION on the cross. He did in fact despise him in the legal position of being "made to be sin" and poured forth his wrath (hatred) upon him unless you think the "condemnation" and "wrath" of the Law is love???

Again, you fail to distinguish between His PERSON and his POSITION. He was not a sinner in regard to his PERSON and God did not despise or hate him with regard to his PERSON. However, in regard to his POSITION as a "sin offering" and when he was POSITIONALLY "made to be sin for us" he was despised and rejected by God as God does not love sin and that is what he positionally was made "to be" on the cross until he utttered "it is finished."

Your view attempts to redefine Biblical words, empty them of their truth to promote a false atonement theory that carried to its logical completion is a complete and utter denial of penal substitutionary atonement.

 

No, it is not! In his humanity he did know the time and hour of his own coming but in his divinity he is omniscient. In his humanity he GREW IN WISDOM and IN KNOWELDGE but in his divinity he is omniscient. In his humanity he grew tired, needed sleep but in his divinity as he stood before Nicodemus he claimed to be present in heaven and OMNIPOTENT.

In His humanity he suffered the full consequences of death - darkness, separation from God, the most extreme anguish that any human can experience and his deity gave it infinite and eternal value.

 

What you asked was this:

Now I have shown you something (tiredness), but you now ignore this and try to change the subject.
I just don't understand why you keep agreeing with me when I post and then disagreeing when I stop.
I don't have time at present to pursue this argument as I would like, but you need to stop being so slippery; it's very frustrating!

 

Jesus took the full blunt of the wrath of God directed towards sinners, and as our sin bearer, he experienced the same exact thing all sinners lost will, complete separation from the father... That os what he feared, to have to be separated for those 3 hours, as him and the father NEVER had thathappen before or since!

Because he was sinless man, able to bear the wrath of God and be really forsaken when satisfining wrath of God, but his death infinite value as it was also God who died on that Cross!

 

Jon seems to want to not accept PST, but knows that is still the way the Bible presents death of Christ!

 

Seems that Jon has taken too much of the theology of NT Wright in regards to this issue!