Immortal Soul/Spirit Theology, Part Of The False Gospel, Practicers Of Necromancy

Research.

breath in those verses is not soul (Hebrew, נֶפֶשׁ nephesh ) (Greek LXX, ψυχή).
breath is spirit, ( Hebrew, רוּחַ ruwach Greek LXX, πνεῦμα ).

V 2 While I live will I praise the LORD: I will sing praises unto my God while I have any being. While I am living soul.
After the breath, Hebrew, רוּחַ ruwach Greek LXX, πνεῦμα went forth. he was no longer living, living soul, he was dead soul and his thoughts perished.

 

It is explainable very simply. Death is the separation of body and soul/spirit as I have explained to you. The body decays in the ground but the spirit goes to be with God. Only the Lord Jesus Christ has risen bodily and permanently from the dead. His body alone has seen no corruption. He has also ascended bodily into heaven.
David is not ascended bodily into the heavens. His body went into the ground and saw corruption like everyone else. But that does not mean that his soul is not even now with God awaiting the Last Day and the physical resurrection from the dead.

It appears that the unsaved dead, having risen to God are reserved under punishment for the day of judgement (2 Peter 2:9). The exact location of this 'remand centre'-- whether it is 'up' or 'down'-- I have no idea. The spirits of all the dead return to God at death (Ecclesiastes 12:7 again), but only the righteous remain with Him (2 Corinthians 5:8).

 

Now that you brought that up Brother Martin I felt this article will fit in very nicely with the discussion... I know it will come up if it hasn't already... He was gathered unto his people!... Brother Glen

There are several different views commentators have taken to determine exactly what “gathered unto his people” meant in Genesis 25:8 (ESV) “Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people.” There is not a great amount of differing views, or a lot of scriptural support to defend these positions. One view is that this phrase was nothing more than an alliteration for death. I disagree with this view simply for the lack of context and scriptural support. The author of Genesis—Moses—had no trouble using the word death or any version thereof during the whole book of Genesis. (Ref. Gen. 2:17; 5:5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20, 27, 31) If Moses wanted this to mean nothing more than Abraham had died, he would have stated so.

Another interpretation is that it simply meant that Abraham was gathered to his ancestors or multiple people that were buried together, as was the practice of the Israelites and Canaanites.[1] I refute this interpretation for two reasons. First, as Warren Wiersbe states, “The phrase “gathered to his people” (Gen. 25:8) does not mean ‘buried with the family’; for Sarah’s body was the only one in the family tomb.”[2] Second, John Barry, co-author of the Faith-Life Study Bible, states, “This phrase is used only in the Pentateuc death, it does not indicate burial with ancestors—neither Abraham, Aaron, nor Moses was buried with their forefathers.”[3]

The last interpretation is that this is a reference to immortality. Several commentaries agree with this interpretation. Carl Friedrich Keil and Franz Delitzsch determine that “Abraham died at the good old age of 175, and was “gathered to his people.” This expression, which is synonymous with “going to his fathers” (Gen. 15:15), or “being gathered to his fathers” (Judg. 2:10), but is constantly distinguished from departing this life and being buried, denotes the reunion in Sheol with friends who have gone before, and therefore presupposes faith in the personal continuance of a man after death, as a presentiment which the promises of God had exalted in the case of the patriarchs into a firm assurance of faith (Heb. 11:13).”[4]

In conclusion, the most convincing interpretation is that when Abraham died he went home to be with his ancestors and friends who have gone on before. This is for several reasons; this interpretation has the scriptural truth to support it. If the word death were meant it would have simply stated that Abraham died. Instead, the writer wanted to make sure we understood that there is life after death in the Old Testament and Abraham was given that right due to his obedience and faithfulness. Lastly, nowhere else does it state where Abraham would have went when he died, many questions would certainly be asked about his whereabouts, and with the understanding of what Sheol is, this was the best phrase Moses could have used to tell us that Abraham is with his ancestors in heaven.

 

Thank you from defending me from your God's wrath. I on the other had would tell you that you don't have much to worry about from my God because he is a lot more understanding and kind then I can ever be.

So Stephen is not a clone. Ok.....

We would not be satisfied with you just betting we are right or being terrorized. Our God is Good.



Philippians 1

21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; 24yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.

I think Paul is saying is if he dies he will DEPART and be with Christ. But he believes to REMAIN IN THE FLESH is more necessary for your sake.

I am probably reading it wrong, Will you explain this for me?


I am more likely to become Seventh day Adventist if SDA hospitals and the SDA church were to declare abortion murder.

Why do you support abortion?


Here is a LINK to official SDA website supporting abortion.
https://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/-/abortion/


Here is an excerpt:
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4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control, gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women, at times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not should be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should be aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made within the context of healthy family relationships.

5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability to God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and their accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its laws. They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God rather than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women either to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as infringements of personal freedom.

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I love that first line:

"The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals" Has no problem doing that for what day you worship God, but backs off when it comes to MURDER.


Another excerpt:

1) Prenatal human life is a magnificent gift of God. God's ideal for human beings affirms the sanctity of human life, in God's image, and requires respect for prenatal life. However, decisions about life must be made in the context of a fallen world. Abortion is never an action of little moral consequence. Thus prenatal life must not be thoughtlessly destroyed. Abortion should be performed only for the most serious reasons.
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Question, when is a good serious reason to murder children?

 

Why do you think that this verse is any sort of problem to me? Like all Scripture, it is not to be read in total isolation, but in line with the various verses which I and others have laid before you so many times: Ecclesiastes 12:7; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23 (thanks, Utilyan, for reminding me of this one!); 2 Peter 2:9; Revelation 6:9. 2 Peter 1:13-14 chimes in with these verses very well. If you take each one on its own, you might be able to explain them away, but taken together, they provide a consistent testimony and explain how Acts 2:29 should be understood. David was dead and buried; his sepulchre was in Jerusalem at that time, but his spirit was with his Lord, which is surely the implication of Psalm 41:12; 49:15.

Humour is obviously not your strong suit. Don't give up the day job.

Doesn't it? Golly! Just as well I didn't write it then, isn't it? Who wrote it? Well, actually, you did.

 

Do you understand this is from the OFFICIAL SDA WEBSITE not some hate group:

" Though honest differences on the question of abortion exist among Seventh-day Adventists, the following represents an attempt to provide guidelines on a number of principles and issues."


Why do you support abortion the murder of children?


When thousands of denominations showed up to protest abortion, guess who didn't show up? Seventh-day Adventist, who's hospitals continue to murder children.

The COMMANDMENT is THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

You are a murdering right now recruiting others to join a MURDERING FAITH.

The official website says they allow abortion. The link is right there:

https://www.adventist.org/en/information/official-statements/guidelines/article/go/-/abortion/


I dare you to ask seventh day Adventist hospital if they do abortions. You get paid to murder children.

You can GOOGLE this. YOU TUBE IT!. You will see Embarrassed SDA MEMBERS who are getting shut down by the general conference.

I don't have to LIE or make things up against you. All I got to do is ask you to research it yourself. To take one glance into this issue, I dare you.

Matthew 7

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?


You worry about no spirit or soul or existence apart from the body....... Why do you support the murder of abortion?

 

He was in the spirit preaching to those in Hades, he was alive, correct?

 

Interesting that the Bible confirms that Jesus went to Hades and took back with Him when He arise those there waiting for Him, but you choose to avoid that and follow false prophetess views here instead!

 

Dr. Irving "Bud" Feldkamp III, member of the Azure Hills Seventh-day Adventist Church in Grand Terrace, California, is the owner of Family Planning Associates of California, which is the LARGEST ABORTION PROVIDER in the state of California.
Dr. Richard Fredericks says, "In Adventist Hospitals where abortions are performed the overwhelming percentage are elective..."
In 2005, George Reid, of the SDA Biblical Research Institute, reported to Teresa Beem that the SDA Church was "pro-choice" and Washington Adventist Hospital was becoming an "Abortion Mill". The Washington Times reported the SDA hospital performed 1,494 abortions between 1975 and 1982.

Now besides the fact that SDA support abortion. There's a couple of other things that disturb me also about this.

Like this:

SDA Church did not even permit abortions until 1970.
Everything changed in 1970 when an SDA hospital in Hawaii (Castle Memorial Hospital) began permitting abortions reportedly BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF LOSING PATIENTS WHO WOULD GO TTHER HOSPITALS TO GET ABORTIONS
They were afraid of losing patients (gold,filthy lucre) so they started performing abortions.....for the sake of money.
This also ties into the fact that they give free passes on sabbath , to sabbath breakers,and keep hospitals open, they say because of emergencies.

When in fact it's all smoke and mirrors and they are chasing filthy lucre.
They have no defense here. Their Adventists hospitals have become abortion mills and the SDA is no more a 'Bible Believing' church than the Mormans or JW's. Then SDA's come on here and falsely accuse us of 'necromancy'! Meanwhile they are condoning the MURDER of innocent babies! WOW!

 

The opulence of those who hang out at the Vatican might cause one to doubt some vows of poverty. Filthy lucre is a religious epidemic. How much is the Vatican art collection worth? There are some dioceses which are insolvent due to property having been sold to pay lawsuit settlements. Can a bishop just sell the property and keep the money?

See: "The Vatican Billions", Avro Manhattan. http/ bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/Vatican-billions.pdf

Now what?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

Matthew 10

28“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Philippians 1

21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; 24yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake.

Desire to DEPART AND BE WITH CHRIST, its BETTER. Yet he will REMAIN ON IN THE FLESH for your sake.

 

Hey, how about the palatial homes, the jewelry, the big cars, the $2000.00 suits, the plush offices and television studios of your gang? Sound's like the "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" to me and all in the name of Jesus Christ the poor carpenter from Nazareth don't you know.

 

The Vatican art collection? Most of the art represents the work of Christians who wanted to place their talents at the service of God through the Church. The artwork is an example of their religiosity and is not for sale. Had the Church not preserved the art, much of it would have been destroyed through the ages. Such art is part of our heritage as Christians and indeed as human beings, and few people of any persuasion who appreciate such world culture would truly prefer that these treasures have been put into the control of secular commerce.

In Matthew 26:6 we read,

A woman came up to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive ointment, and she poured it on his head as he sat at table. But when the disciples saw it, they were indignant, saying, "Why this waste? For the ointment might have been sold for a large sum and given to the poor." But Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you trouble the woman? For she has done a beautiful thing to me. For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.

Likewise, many of the great cathedrals of Europe were built with donations and labor from the poor, who wanted to build such monuments to God’s goodness and sovereignty. The Vatican does not control enormous liquid wealth, and its annual operating budget has been compared to that of a large archdiocese such as that of Chicago. BTW, Bro James, how much has your Baptist church done for the poor this year.
The Catholic Church is the LARGEST charitable organization in the world!

StopBaptistPredators.org

 

It appears the parishioners live in abject poverty, in South America, Central America, Philippines--ad infinitum. Whilst the Vatican Bank gets usury on billions. They are very reluctant to give real numbers. This was part of why Benedict went into self imposed exile--emeritus retirement. How many apostles retired? The barrel is rotten from top to bottom. Now what?

I guess what Jesus said to the rich young ruler does not apply. See: Luke 18:18-23. Vs. 22: "...yet thou lackest one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me."

If the Vatican sold all her possessions and gave the proceeds to the poor, there would be no poor.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

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Two wrongs do not make a right. "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Where will you be in a million years? Are you sure?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James