Satan Crushed Shortly

The FACT that HE'S NOT YET PHYSICALLY, VISIBLY HERE should answer that question.

 

No, Satan aint crushed yet. The evidence is all around us!

 

28 so Christ also, having been once offered to bear the sins of many, shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to them that wait for him, unto salvation. Heb 9
37 For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry. Heb 10

The true meaning.

Isa 26:19,20,21 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

I don't know everything. There are mysteries all through scripture. I admit that it seems like He should have already come but has not. It does not mean that he Has already came. If He had we all would know of it. The Bible says every eye shall see. So there is no chance that He already came. Christ isn't hidding out in some room somewhere.
MB

 

The Scriptures are written to Bible believers who get their eschatalogical views from scripture rather than from the daily newspaper. Peter places the Biblical perspective in proper order:

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 ¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Both Paul and Peter spoke of a yet future "last days" that will come beyond their life time. Peter speaks of his own demise in ch. 1:15 and yet there is this yet "last days" future from his time. Paul spoke of his demise in 2 Tim. 4:6-7 but spoke of a yet future "last days" from his perspective (2 Tim. 3:1). So, after the death of Peter and Paul there is a future period yet to come called "the last days" (more on this later).

Next, Peter looks at future scoffers whose basis for scoffing is at that yet future time they will complain "where is the promise of his coming" - meaning he claimed to come shortly but it did not happen (from Peter's future perspective).

Peter rebukes them by reminding them of a past promise to end the world that God fulfilled and so he will fulfill this promise but not according to MAN'S CALCULATIONS OF SHORTNESS but according to God's view of "shortly" and with God a THOUSAND YEARS is a very breif period of time as we would regard one day. Hence, with God "shortly" is not to be computed by our view of time but God's view of time.

Now, concerning the last days. Most early post-New Testament period Christians believed that God's timetable for creation to creation is on a Seven day period. The number Seven characterizes the period of the first creation and the number seven characterizes the book of Revelation. However, they believed this divine time table was according to seven THOUSAND year days.

From that perspective the first coming of Christ occurred in the "last days" of this seven thousand year period or in the fourth thousanth year which introduces the transition in the "last days" of this seven thousand day week. Hence, the New Testament period occurred in the "last days". However, Paul and Peter looked at the end of this week of thousand years and saw a yet future "last days" at the end of that seventh year period which concluded with the "last day."

If you understand this Biblical symoblism and view prophetic time this way there is no problem. Those the apostles wrote to was instructed in this symbolism as evident by 2 Peter 3:8.

Finally, there is the common telescoptic method used by all Biblical prophets. They would take a near future catastrophic event and clothe it in the language of end of the world characteristics, not that the near event was the end of the world but it was a great teaching moment to show what the end of the world will be lack. This is true of the destruction of Egypt in the time of Moses. This is true of the destruction of Nineveh and Babylon in the Old Testament all of these were clothed in end of the world imagery. This is what Jesus did with the fall of jerusalem by Rome as it was a near event Jesus used as a teaching image of the yet future end of the world long after the first century.

Unfortunately, there are those who

 

Somewhere I owe a response but can't seem to find it.

You were going get back to my post # 22

 

This verse has nothing to do with AD 70, and IMO nothing to do with eschatology. There is nothing about the End Times either before it or after it.

The context to the verse is Romans 16:17-19. Paul is warning the Roman Christians to watch out for false teachers, especially those who 'cause divisions' and 'deceive the hearts of the simple.' He wants the Christians, especially, presumably, the leaders, to 'avoid' such people, to be 'wise' concerning what is good, and 'simple' or innocent of what is evil. Elsewhere Paul writes, '....lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are no ignorant of His devices' (2 Cor. 2:11).

I have personal experience of a church ruined by divisions, and have no doubt that this is one of Satan's tactics; but if the Roman church will take note of Paul's advice, God, who is a God of peace among His people, not of division, will crush Satan's plans through their actions. i.e. under their feet.

I believe that's all there is to the verse.. To try and push a particular brand of eschatology on the basis of one verse drawn out of context, is not wise.

 

Thank you, Martin. That really makes sense. Although I am a Preterist, I can see your point that this doesn't have anything to do with eschatology within the context of the preceding verses . That would also address the dilemma of why Satan has been so active in our world all throughout history.

 

Sir, I, & several others have repeatedly asked you & some other prets here to please **PROVE** their assertions, & all we've gotten is imagination & guesswork for answers.

It's VERY EVIDENT Satan is NOT crushed, proven by the huge prevalence of sin worldwide. And one of his plots is the myth of preterism, which seex to make light of the return of Jesus.

Can the prets prove their assertions ? OF COURSE NOT!

Can you tell us when a meteor crashed into the sea(We assume the Mediterranean) & killed all life in it?

Can you tell us when all green grass was burned up?

Can you tell us when, after the plagues of Egypt, that all fresh water turned to blood?

Can you tell us when Jesus returned & was SEEN BY ALL, as He said He would be?

Patiently waiting for answers!

 

I agree that it isn't eschatological but something that is going to be done in the future and it is going to be done in quickness.
Now the future of that quickness is eschatological.

Paul is speaking to the church, ἐκκλησίας, n_ Gen Sg Feminine, wherever she is of all time. Verses 1, 5,23

When does that quickness take place?

“And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. (Her, pp Gen Sg f } ----------- When did the gates of Hades first begin to not prevail over, her, the church? --- Speaking of Jesus; Col 1:18 And he (Jesus) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. ---- Interestingly, the beginning is also a feminine noun,
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Romans 6:9

That is when the gates of Hades begin to not prevail over her, the church.

Now the, "being raised," of Rom 6:9 is, vp Aor Pas Nom Sg m. If I understand correctly and I may be wrong, the Greek guru's will have to tell me, the Aorist tense is something that took place in the past and will take place in the future.

Someone who knows Greek, speak up.

Therefore when will, the gates of Hades shall not prevail against, her, be a completed act?

Will it not be when? then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

Does that not take place quickly, swiftly?

in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

but I wish you to be wise as to that which is good, and simple as to evil. But the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. (Swiftly) The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Darby

 

This thread is about one verse and you have built a huge castle in the air on it, when it has nothing to do with eschatology, let alone AD 70.

1. Romans was written to -- wait for it --Romans! Palestine would have been to most of them, 'a far-away country of which they knew nothing' save that Christ had lived there. If you asked a Roman in, say, AD 80, how satan had been crushed under his feet. he would immediately have thought of the fall of Nero in 68 and the Year of the Four Emperors that followed.

2. If you are so foolish as to think that in some way Satan = Israel, you should know that AD 70 did not end Jewish malevolence towards Christians, quite the reverse. Curses against Christians were introduced into Jewish liturgy in AD 79,and F.F. Bruce (The Spreading Flame) details other disputes between Christians and Jews after AD 70. To go for AD 136 would make much more sense, as that really did break Jewish influence and power.

You should know by now that I am not Dispensational. But if I were absolutely forced to choose between Hyper-preterism and Dispensationalism, I would go Dispy without a second thought because, as incorrect as I think it is, it does at least not deny the Coming of our Lord.

You are not taking God at His word. Acts 1:11 blows Hyper-preterism out of the water as I have shown numerous times.

'Mere' is your word. I didn't use it.

How much would the Roman Christians have felt they were getting relief from their enemies when they were being used as human torches to illuminate Nero's garden? And the Jews had nothing to do with it and AD 70 had nothing to do with relieving it.
You should know by now that I am not Dispensational. But if I were absolutely forced to choose between Hyper-preterism and Dispensationalism, I would go Dispy without a second thought because, as incorrect as I think it is, it does at least not deny the Coming of our Lord.

I don't 'insinuate' it. Hyper-preterism is outside the bounds of Christian orthodoxy. Is that clear enough for you?

I am sick of people bragging about changing their minds as if there were something intrinsically noble about it. There is no guarantee whatsoever that changing one's mind means that it is a change from worse to better. But in fact, if you knew anything about my background, you would not make such a charge. But can YOU consider the possibility that YOU are wrong?

 

To how God views time itself, Jesus was always right about to be born for His First Coming, He is still right at the door for His second coming event, as the deal is that we must see time in relationship to how God views prophecy working out, and not how we see it in strict linear time!

 

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:34
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust Matt 5:43-45

Just something to keep in mind,

 

Just try to show us where in history the second coming and the resurrection of the living and dead in Christ happened, and when the Kingdom was set up here, and that will prove your case!