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Great texts, but Genesis 3:15 I have dealt with above, and the others do not bear upon the question.

However, you and @Arthur King might like to chew on Matthew 16:21-23. 'From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that the He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised on the third day.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from you, Lord; this shall not happen to you!"
But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."' Our Lord recognized in the well-meant words of Peter, the voice of the devil, urging Him not to go to the cross.

 

As before, your position is weak. Lame.

 

One of us has a weak/lame position, but I think you'll find it's you.

'Satan' means 'adversary' only in Hebrew. The NT was written in Greek. There is a Greek word for 'adversary. It is antidikos (cf. Matthew 5:25; Luke 18:3;, and especially 1 Peter 5:8). Whenever you see Satanos in the NT, it means 'Satan.'

Agreed.
He may have used it in the general sense which the word bore as an adversary or opposer; and the meaning may be, that such sentiments as Peter expressed then were opposed to him and his plans. His interference was improper. His views and feelings stood in the way of the accomplishment of the Saviour's designs...."
Barnes Notes On The Bible[/QUOTE] Agreed again. What it does mean is that the devil was using Peter as a way to get at the Lord Jesus. That does not, of course, mean that he indwelt Peter; rather, it means that our Lord saw behind Peter, the temptation of Satan.

Peter was minding the things of men; Satan was seeking to get at Christ. Peter would have been horrified to think that he was doing the work of Satan. But the Lord Jesus saw in his remonstration, the prompting of the evil one.

Satan tempts true believers in all sorts of ways: he tempts them to pride, to lust, to anger, to foolishness and doubtless many other things. But Christ the good Shepherd will always bring them back as He did Peter.

See above.

 

Fine. Where are the other 'many' texts?
There is, in John an interesting little subtext concerning the 'hour' or 'time.' Consider:
John 2:4. "My hour has not yet come."
John 7:8. "My time has not yet fully come."
And more significantly:
John 7:30. 'Therefore they sought to take Him, but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.'
John 8:20. 'No one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.'
And then, just a day or so before the Passover:
John 12:23. "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified."
John 13:1. '.... When Jesus knew that the hour had come.'
John 17:1. "Father, the hour has come."

There was a set time, place and method for the Lord Jesus to die. Until that time, He could not be captured. So in John 7 and 8, and right up to John 12, Satan would have been delighted to see Him die, but clearly He was protected. Why didn't Satan enter in the Judas Iscariot before? He was not allowed to. Only at the last supper was that permitted. The triune God had decreed, before the foundation of the world, when, where and how the Lord Jesus should die.

 

God:
:14 And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3

Martin Marprelate:
Nope, didn't happen. Satan is waaay too smart to fall for that.

 

Satan is indeed waaay too smart to fall for that, which is why he was desperately trying to keep Christ from dying on the cross.
Since when was bruising one's heel fatal? I bruised my shin today, and jolly painful it was too. But it didn't kill me.

 

'Strike' is a great translation. The snake strikes at our Lord's heel; He turns and strikes His head. Works beautifully. Satan did not kill Christ; God did. It was worked out in every detail before time began (Titus 1:2). 'For it is written, "I will strike the Shepherd..." (Matthew 26:31). Who will strike the Shepherd? God will.

This will be my last post for a few days. I have another sermon to prepare and other duties to attend to.

 

Acts of the Apostles 4:27-28. 'For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel were gathered together, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.' Any mention of Satan here? Only if you read him in, as you doubtless will do. 'I will strike the Shepherd!' Why can't you just believe the words of our Lord?

Satan's efforts were directed to prevent our Lord from fulfilling His task. It seems likely that he tried to destroy the messianic line (2 Kings 11:1; 25:6-7) and that he may have led Herod to kill the babies in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:16). But note that I say "it seems likely" and "may have" because the Bible doesn't say so. But all his temptations of our Lord (Matthew 4; Luke 4) were directed to getting Him to abandon His task. If he wanted the Lord Jesus to die, he should have encouraged Him to carry on with His mission!
In John 8, we read that Satan was a murderer from the beginning. Certainly he was; he caused the death of every human that has ever lived. But there is no 'explicit' statement that he wanted to kill Christ. But if he did, it was so that our Lord would not die on the cross. 'His hour had not yet come' (John 8:20). Had He died then, His mission would have been incomplete. It was not until John 12:23 that He could say, 'The hour has come.'
Arthur, just believe the words. Nowhere does it say, "It pleased Satan to crush Him." 'It pleased the LORD to crush Him.' Believe the words![/QUOTE]

 

@Arthur King,
In the Book of Job, we are told who afflicted Job - it was Satan, allowed to do so for God's high purposes.
In Acts 4, we are told who afflicted Christ - it was 'Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel,' allowed to do so for God's high purposes. Just believe the words; don't add to them.

What was coming was Gethsemane, and then the cross. And tell me, when Jesus was hanging on the cross, why were the passers-by, the chief priests, the malefactors (Mark 15:29-32), and also the soldiers (Luke 23:36) all saying the same thing - "Come down from the cross!"? Why would Satan want Jesus to die on the cross? It was the one thing that would destroy his power.

 

@Martin Marprelate. Are you unable to see it?

37 I know that ye are Abraham`s seed: yet ye seek to kill me, because my word hath not free course in you.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I heard from God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the works of your father. They said unto him, We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8

 

Spot on. Which begs the question(s):

Who sold Joseph into Egypt?:
20 And as for you, ye meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Gen 50

Who moved David?:
And again the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them, saying, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Sam 24:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. 1 Chron 21:1

Who enticed Ahab?:
20 And Jehovah said, Who shall entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner; and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before Jehovah, and said, I will entice him.
22 And Jehovah said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt entice him, and shalt prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, Jehovah hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets; and Jehovah hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Ki 22

Who afflicted Job?:
11 But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
12 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thy hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of Jehovah. Job 1
5 But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
6 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thy hand; only spare his life. Job 2

Who tempted Christ?:
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil Mt 4 [Mark 1:12]

Who sifted Peter?:
31 Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: Lu 22

Who buffeted Paul?:
7 And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch. 2 Cor 12

Who killed Christ?:
10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole.
26 The kings of the earth set themselves in array, And the rulers were gathered together, Against the Lord, and against his Anointed:
27 for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
28 to do whatsoever thy hand and thy council foreordained to come to pass. Acts 4

 

This is so lame. Did God raise Him from the dead or not?

 

Who came? Who appeared on the scene? How was this 'ruler' manifested in this temporal realm?

3 Judas then, having received the band of soldiers, and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Jn 18

Post #40 refresher:

2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat:
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye shut the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye enter not in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering in to enter.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows` houses, even while for a pretence ye make long prayers: therefore ye shall receive greater condemnation.
33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23

3 And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst,
13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest witness of thyself; thy witness is not true.
22 The Jews therefore said, Will he kill himself, that he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come?
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3

Concerning Judas:

70 Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 Now he spake of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. Jn 6

 

The Spirit makes no bones about who killed Christ:

1 Thess 2
14 For ye, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judaea in Christ Jesus: for ye also suffered the same things of your own countrymen, even as they did of the Jews;
15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove out us, and pleased not God, and are contrary to all men;

Acts 2:
…. they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance…Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth… ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay…God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. Acts 2:4,22,23,36

Acts 3:
…Peter… answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel… his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him… ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you, and killed the Prince of life… whereof we are witnesses. Acts 3:12-15

Acts 4:
…Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders… be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified… Acts 4:8,10

Acts 5:
… they set them before the council…. ye have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and intend to bring this man`s blood upon us…. Peter and the apostles answered and said… The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree… we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit Acts 5:27,28,29,30,32

Acts 6 & 7:
…there arose certain of them that were of the synagogue called the synagogue of the Libertines, and of the Cyrenians, and of the Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and Asia, disputing with Stephen. And they were not able to withstand the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spake….Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets did not your fathers persecute? and they killed them that showed before of the coming of the Righteous One; of whom ye have now become betrayers and murderers; Acts 6:9,10; Acts 7:51,52

Acts 10:
…we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree…. Him God raised up the third day, and gave him to be made manifest, not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. And he charged us to preach unto the people, and to testify that this is he who is ordained of God to be the Judge of the living and the dead. Acts 10: 39-42

Acts 13:
…Paul stood up, and beckoning with the hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, hearken…they that dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath, fulfilled them by condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet asked they of Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all things that were written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a tomb. But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen for many days of them that came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses unto the people. Acts 13:16,27-31

Mt 23:
33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Mt 23

Mt 27:
25 And all the people answered and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.