Jesus is the new Jonah

[Martin Marprelate]

You're supposed to be bright enough to see it, instead you stubbornly choose to keep disputing the scripture:

14 And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3

2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat:
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye shut the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye enter not in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering in to enter.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows` houses, even while for a pretence ye make long prayers: therefore ye shall receive greater condemnation.
33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23

3 And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst,
13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest witness of thyself; thy witness is not true.
22 The Jews therefore said, Will he kill himself, that he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come?
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3

Great texts, but Genesis 3:15 I have dealt with above, and the others do not bear upon the question.

However, you and @Arthur King might like to chew on Matthew 16:21-23. 'From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that the He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised on the third day.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from you, Lord; this shall not happen to you!"
But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."' Our Lord recognized in the well-meant words of Peter, the voice of the devil, urging Him not to go to the cross.

 

[kyredneck]

Great texts, but Genesis 3:15 I have dealt with above, and the others do not bear upon the question.

However, you and @Arthur King might like to chew on Matthew 16:21-23. 'From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that the He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised on the third day.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "Far be it from you, Lord; this shall not happen to you!"
But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."' Our Lord recognized in the well-meant words of Peter, the voice of the devil, urging Him not to go to the cross.

As before, your position is weak. Lame.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

As before, your position is weak. Lame.

One of us has a weak/lame position, but I think you'll find it's you.

I know you know just how weak the stand is you're taking on this passage. There is no indication that 'the devil' entered into Peter, or that permission was obtained as required in Luke 22:31. The word satan was used here in it's primary sense.

'Satan' means 'adversary' only in Hebrew. The NT was written in Greek. There is a Greek word for 'adversary. It is antidikos (cf. Matthew 5:25; Luke 18:3;, and especially 1 Peter 5:8). Whenever you see Satanos in the NT, it means 'Satan.'

"...there is no evidence that the Lord Jesus meant to apply this term to Peter, as signifying that he was Satan or the devil, or that he used the term in anger.

Agreed.
He may have used it in the general sense which the word bore as an adversary or opposer; and the meaning may be, that such sentiments as Peter expressed then were opposed to him and his plans. His interference was improper. His views and feelings stood in the way of the accomplishment of the Saviour's designs...."
Barnes Notes On The Bible[/QUOTE] Agreed again. What it does mean is that the devil was using Peter as a way to get at the Lord Jesus. That does not, of course, mean that he indwelt Peter; rather, it means that our Lord saw behind Peter, the temptation of Satan.

And in no way has 'the devil' ever minded the things of men. He makes them sick and diseased and demon possessed and causes misery among them.

Peter was minding the things of men; Satan was seeking to get at Christ. Peter would have been horrified to think that he was doing the work of Satan. But the Lord Jesus saw in his remonstration, the prompting of the evil one.

Satan tempts true believers in all sorts of ways: he tempts them to pride, to lust, to anger, to foolishness and doubtless many other things. But Christ the good Shepherd will always bring them back as He did Peter.

Your position is weak. Lame.

See above.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

This is John 8. Key phrases highlighted in bold.

Fine. Where are the other 'many' texts?
There is, in John an interesting little subtext concerning the 'hour' or 'time.' Consider:
John 2:4. "My hour has not yet come."
John 7:8. "My time has not yet fully come."
And more significantly:
John 7:30. 'Therefore they sought to take Him, but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.'
John 8:20. 'No one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.'
And then, just a day or so before the Passover:
John 12:23. "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified."
John 13:1. '.... When Jesus knew that the hour had come.'
John 17:1. "Father, the hour has come."

There was a set time, place and method for the Lord Jesus to die. Until that time, He could not be captured. So in John 7 and 8, and right up to John 12, Satan would have been delighted to see Him die, but clearly He was protected. Why didn't Satan enter in the Judas Iscariot before? He was not allowed to. Only at the last supper was that permitted. The triune God had decreed, before the foundation of the world, when, where and how the Lord Jesus should die.

 

[kyredneck]

One of us has a weak/lame position, but I think you'll find it's you.

God:
:14 And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3

Martin Marprelate:
Nope, didn't happen. Satan is waaay too smart to fall for that.

 

[Arthur King]

Fine. Where are the other 'many' texts?
There is, in John an interesting little subtext concerning the 'hour' or 'time.' Consider:
John 2:4. "My hour has not yet come."
John 7:8. "My time has not yet fully come."
And more significantly:
John 7:30. 'Therefore they sought to take Him, but no one laid a hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.'
John 8:20. 'No one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.'
And then, just a day or so before the Passover:
John 12:23. "The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified."
John 13:1. '.... When Jesus knew that the hour had come.'
John 17:1. "Father, the hour has come."

There was a set time, place and method for the Lord Jesus to die. Until that time, He could not be captured. So in John 7 and 8, and right up to John 12, Satan would have been delighted to see Him die, but clearly He was protected. Why didn't Satan enter in the Judas Iscariot before? He was not allowed to. Only at the last supper was that permitted. The triune God had decreed, before the foundation of the world, when, where and how the Lord Jesus should die.

It sounds like you are trying to argue "God ordained that Satan would murder Jesus at a certain time and place, therefore Satan didn't murder Jesus."

No, that is not now God's sovereignty works.

I feel like you tried to do the same with Joseph's brothers. "God ordained that Joseph's brothers would sinfully and unjustly betray him to traders, therefore Joseph's brothers did not sinfully and unjustly betray him to traders." That just doesn't work. Joseph is not saying to them that they did not sin against him or act unjustly against him, or were not responsible. He is saying that they didn't ordain that his imprisonment would happen outside of God's redemptive purposes. He is saying "This is not ultimately about you sinning against me, but about God's redemptive and salvific purposes."

God's sovereignty does not eliminate human agency, human responsibility, human sin, or human injustice.

It is a more interesting question what all were Satan's intentions and information that he was operating off of? It is a fair question why Satan at certain times was tempting Jesus to avoid the cross, to "save himself," but at the same time orchestrating the crucifixion as well.

The answer is that he wanted Jesus to forsake God and then die. We have seen torturers try to pressure their victims to give up their loyalties before killing them. It is possible that Satan also had a fantasy in his mind that Jesus would be his puppet king. But regardless, the Bible explicitly says that Satan tempted him to fail in his mission on the cross, and orchestrated the crucifixion, and murdered Jesus. Our job is to find a series of intentions that fit with all the Biblical data.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

God:
:14 And Jehovah God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen 3

Martin Marprelate:
Nope, didn't happen. Satan is waaay too smart to fall for that.

Satan is indeed waaay too smart to fall for that, which is why he was desperately trying to keep Christ from dying on the cross.
Since when was bruising one's heel fatal? I bruised my shin today, and jolly painful it was too. But it didn't kill me.

 

[Arthur King]

Satan is indeed waaay too smart to fall for that, which is why he was desperately trying to keep Christ from dying on the cross.
Since when was bruising one's heel fatal? I bruised my shin today, and jolly painful it was too. But it didn't kill me.

The word doesn't mean "bruise." A better translation is "strike, crush, or overwhelm". The son of the woman doesn't "bruise" the head of the serpent. He crushes the head of the serpent and delivers him a fatal wound. Similarly, serpent delivers a fatal wound to the son of the woman. The same word is used for what the son does to the woman and what the woman does to the son.

 

[Arthur King]

The word doesn't mean "bruise." A better translation is "strike, crush, or overwhelm". The son of the woman doesn't "bruise" the head of the serpent. He crushes the head of the serpent and delivers him a fatal wound. Similarly, serpent delivers a fatal wound to the son of the woman. The same word is used for what the son does to the woman and what the woman does to the son.

Revelation 12:4

And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.

Satan working through Herod to kill Jesus at his birth.

This is a fun one: Acts 28:1-6

-Just as Paul was bitten by the serpent,
so also Jesus was murdered by the devil.
-Just as onlookers mistakenly believed that justice killed Paul for being guilty,
so also onlookers mistakenly believed that Jesus was justly killed by God.
-Just as Paul’s immunity to the serpent revealed his innocence,
so also Jesus’ resurrection from death revealed his innocence.
-Just as Paul lives after enduring what should be a fatal wound,
so also Jesus rises after suffering a fatal wound.
-Just as Paul shook the serpent off into the fire,
so also Jesus threw the devil into hell.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

The word doesn't mean "bruise." A better translation is "strike, crush, or overwhelm". The son of the woman doesn't "bruise" the head of the serpent. He crushes the head of the serpent and delivers him a fatal wound. Similarly, serpent delivers a fatal wound to the son of the woman. The same word is used for what the son does to the woman and what the woman does to the son.

'Strike' is a great translation. The snake strikes at our Lord's heel; He turns and strikes His head. Works beautifully. Satan did not kill Christ; God did. It was worked out in every detail before time began (Titus 1:2). 'For it is written, "I will strike the Shepherd..." (Matthew 26:31). Who will strike the Shepherd? God will.

This will be my last post for a few days. I have another sermon to prepare and other duties to attend to.

 

[Arthur King]

'Strike' is a great translation. The snake strikes at our Lord's heel; He turns and strikes His head. Works beautifully. Satan did not kill Christ; God did. It was worked out in every detail before time began (Titus 1:2). 'For it is written, "I will strike the Shepherd..." (Matthew 26:31). Who will strike the Shepherd? God will.

This will be my last post for a few days. I have another sermon to prepare and other duties to attend to.

Satan did not kill Christ; God did.

Again, this is just not now God's sovereignty works. God struck the Son through Satan and sinful humans unjustly killing him. The sword of the lord is forged from the sins and injustices of Satan and human beings.

And I don't know how in the world you reconcile " Satan was desperately trying to keep Christ from dying on the cross" with Jesus' explicit statements that Satan was seeking to murder him, as well as all the details about Satan orchestrating the crucifixion.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Satan did not kill Christ; God did.

Again, this is just not now God's sovereignty works. God struck the Son through Satan and sinful humans unjustly killing him. The sword of the lord is forged from the sins and injustices of Satan and human beings.

Acts of the Apostles 4:27-28. 'For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel were gathered together, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.' Any mention of Satan here? Only if you read him in, as you doubtless will do. 'I will strike the Shepherd!' Why can't you just believe the words of our Lord?

And I don't know how in the world you reconcile " Satan was desperately trying to keep Christ from dying on the cross" with Jesus' explicit statements that Satan was seeking to murder him, as well as all the details about Satan orchestrating the crucifixion.

Satan's efforts were directed to prevent our Lord from fulfilling His task. It seems likely that he tried to destroy the messianic line (2 Kings 11:1; 25:6-7) and that he may have led Herod to kill the babies in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:16). But note that I say "it seems likely" and "may have" because the Bible doesn't say so. But all his temptations of our Lord (Matthew 4; Luke 4) were directed to getting Him to abandon His task. If he wanted the Lord Jesus to die, he should have encouraged Him to carry on with His mission!
In John 8, we read that Satan was a murderer from the beginning. Certainly he was; he caused the death of every human that has ever lived. But there is no 'explicit' statement that he wanted to kill Christ. But if he did, it was so that our Lord would not die on the cross. 'His hour had not yet come' (John 8:20). Had He died then, His mission would have been incomplete. It was not until John 12:23 that He could say, 'The hour has come.'
Arthur, just believe the words. Nowhere does it say, "It pleased Satan to crush Him." 'It pleased the LORD to crush Him.' Believe the words![/QUOTE]

 

[Arthur King]

Acts of the Apostles 4:27-28. 'For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel were gathered together, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.' Any mention of Satan here? Only if you read him in, as you doubtless will do. 'I will strike the Shepherd!' Why can't you just believe the words of our Lord?

Satan's efforts were directed to prevent our Lord from fulfilling His task. It seems likely that he tried to destroy the messianic line (2 Kings 11:1; 25:6-7) and that he may have led Herod to kill the babies in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:16). But note that I say "it seems likely" and "may have" because the Bible doesn't say so. But all his temptations of our Lord (Matthew 4; Luke 4) were directed to getting Him to abandon His task. If he wanted the Lord Jesus to die, he should have encouraged Him to carry on with His mission!
In John 8, we read that Satan was a murderer from the beginning. Certainly he was; he caused the death of every human that has ever lived. But there is no 'explicit' statement that he wanted to kill Christ. But if he did, it was so that our Lord would not die on the cross. 'His hour had not yet come' (John 8:20). Had He died then, His mission would have been incomplete. It was not until John 12:23 that He could say, 'The hour has come.'
Arthur, just believe the words. Nowhere does it say, "It pleased Satan to crush Him." 'It pleased the LORD to crush Him.' Believe the words!

[/QUOTE]

-Regarding the verse from Acts - not every mention of Jesus' death mentions Satan's role. That does not mean Satan didn't have a role. That is a silly argument from silence. And there are many other texts (even the one from Acts 28 that I listed) that describe Satan's role in the death of Christ.

-"I will strike the Shepherd." I am reading the book of Job right now which describes the dynamic perfectly.

Satan says to God in Job 1:11 "Put forth Your hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse You to Your face.” Then the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him.”

Then in Job 2:3, God says to Satan "He still holds fast his integrity, although you incited Me against him to ruin him without cause.” Satan answered the Lord and said, “Skin for skin! Yes, all that a man has he will give for his life. 5 However, put forth Your hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh; he will curse You to Your face.” 6 So the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your power, only spare his life.” 7 Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.

God putting forth his hand to strike Job cannot be used to exclude Satan's role in striking Job. Again, that is just not how God's sovereignty works.

Does God put forth his hand against Job? Yes.
Does God ruin Job? Yes.
Does God strike Job? Yes.
How does God do it? He gives him over to the power of Satan, and Satan smites Job.
Does Satan smite Job justly or unjustly? Unjustly - that is the whole point of the story.
Is God unjust in allowing Satan to unjustly smite Job? Of course not. God can ordain events in which sins and injustices take place without himself being unjust.
Is God "satisfying wrath" on Job? Of course not.

The dynamic with God, Satan, and Job is the same as that with God, Satan, and Jesus. It provides no support for your view and all the support for my view.

-You say "But there is no 'explicit' statement that he wanted to kill Christ." Yes there is - from the lips of Jesus. Jesus explicitly states in John 8:40 "you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. 41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” and then verse 44. "44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him."

-Again, just prior to his death, in John 14:30, Jesus says " I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me."

His crucifixion is coming with the coming of the devil. Plain as day.

-Here is another example from Paul in 1 Corinthians. Paul says regarding one in disobedience that "I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." This description of church discipline has a cruciform shape. Who else was delivered over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh so that souls might be saved? Jesus.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

@Arthur King,
In the Book of Job, we are told who afflicted Job - it was Satan, allowed to do so for God's high purposes.
In Acts 4, we are told who afflicted Christ - it was 'Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel,' allowed to do so for God's high purposes. Just believe the words; don't add to them.

-Again, just prior to his death, in John 14:30, Jesus says " I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me."

His crucifixion is coming with the coming of the devil. Plain as day.

What was coming was Gethsemane, and then the cross. And tell me, when Jesus was hanging on the cross, why were the passers-by, the chief priests, the malefactors (Mark 15:29-32), and also the soldiers (Luke 23:36) all saying the same thing - "Come down from the cross!"? Why would Satan want Jesus to die on the cross? It was the one thing that would destroy his power.

 

[Arthur King]

@Arthur King,
In the Book of Job, we are told who afflicted Job - it was Satan, allowed to do so for God's high purposes.
In Acts 4, we are told who afflicted Christ - it was 'Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel,' allowed to do so for God's high purposes. Just believe the words; don't add to them.

What was coming was Gethsemane, and then the cross. And tell me, when Jesus was hanging on the cross, why were the passers-by, the chief priests, the malefactors (Mark 15:29-32), and also the soldiers (Luke 23:36) all saying the same thing - "Come down from the cross!"? Why would Satan want Jesus to die on the cross? It was the one thing that would destroy his power.

Satan would want Jesus to die on the cross because it would be the ultimate statement that this man was not the Messiah, was not King, and was not God. He wanted Jesus to curse God and then die. It is possible that he misinterpreted (as many do today) Jesus' cry of dereliction. He may have thought of it as a cry of failure and distrust in God, and took it as his cue to deliver the killing blow.

You are assuming that the devil had impeccable atonement theology and insight into God's purposes, and I don't think he did. God blinds those who need to be blinded for His redemptive purposes. Satan is not omniscient and does not have perfect foreknowledge.

I am not adding to the words of Acts 4. I don't need to - I have plenty of other texts to support my position. But your position is that sinners didn't kill Jesus anyway - God did, so I don't know why you would bring up verses like that. They support my position and not yours.

Again, Jesus explicitly states that the devil's desires, deeds, and intentions are to murder him. This is on top of the prophesy that the serpent would strike the heel of the Son - the whole point of which is that the serpent delivers a fatal wound.

Jesus is the new Abel, who is unjustly killed by Cain after Cain is mastered by the beast crouching at his door.

 

[kyredneck]

Jesus' explicit statements that Satan was seeking to murder him

@Martin Marprelate. Are you unable to see it?

37 I know that ye are Abraham`s seed: yet ye seek to kill me, because my word hath not free course in you.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I heard from God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the works of your father. They said unto him, We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8

 

[kyredneck]

How does God do it? He gives him over to the power of Satan, and Satan smites Job.

Spot on. Which begs the question(s):

Who sold Joseph into Egypt?:
20 And as for you, ye meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive. Gen 50

Who moved David?:
And again the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them, saying, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 Sam 24:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel. 1 Chron 21:1

Who enticed Ahab?:
20 And Jehovah said, Who shall entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said on this manner; and another said on that manner.
21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before Jehovah, and said, I will entice him.
22 And Jehovah said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt entice him, and shalt prevail also: go forth, and do so.
23 Now therefore, behold, Jehovah hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets; and Jehovah hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1 Ki 22

Who afflicted Job?:
11 But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
12 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thy hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of Jehovah. Job 1
5 But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will renounce thee to thy face.
6 And Jehovah said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thy hand; only spare his life. Job 2

Who tempted Christ?:
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil Mt 4 [Mark 1:12]

Who sifted Peter?:
31 Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: Lu 22

Who buffeted Paul?:
7 And by reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, that I should not be exalted overmuch. 2 Cor 12

Who killed Christ?:
10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole.
26 The kings of the earth set themselves in array, And the rulers were gathered together, Against the Lord, and against his Anointed:
27 for of a truth in this city against thy holy Servant Jesus, whom thou didst anoint, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, were gathered together,
28 to do whatsoever thy hand and thy council foreordained to come to pass. Acts 4

 

[kyredneck]

Since when was bruising one's heel fatal?

This is so lame. Did God raise Him from the dead or not?

 

[kyredneck]

-Again, just prior to his death, in John 14:30, Jesus says " I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me."

His crucifixion is coming with the coming of the devil. Plain as day.

Who came? Who appeared on the scene? How was this 'ruler' manifested in this temporal realm?

3 Judas then, having received the band of soldiers, and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Jn 18

Post #40 refresher:

2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat:
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye shut the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye enter not in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering in to enter.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows` houses, even while for a pretence ye make long prayers: therefore ye shall receive greater condemnation.
33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23

3 And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst,
13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest witness of thyself; thy witness is not true.
22 The Jews therefore said, Will he kill himself, that he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come?
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3

Concerning Judas:

70 Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 Now he spake of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. Jn 6

 

[kyredneck]

Satan did not kill Christ; God did.

The Spirit makes no bones about who killed Christ:

1 Thess 2
14 For ye, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judaea in Christ Jesus: for ye also suffered the same things of your own countrymen, even as they did of the Jews;
15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove out us, and pleased not God, and are contrary to all men;

Acts 2:
…. they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance…Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth… ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay…God hath made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom ye crucified. Acts 2:4,22,23,36

Acts 3:
…Peter… answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel… his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him… ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you, and killed the Prince of life… whereof we are witnesses. Acts 3:12-15

Acts 4:
…Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders… be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified… Acts 4:8,10

Acts 5:
… they set them before the council…. ye have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and intend to bring this man`s blood upon us…. Peter and the apostles answered and said… The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree… we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit Acts 5:27,28,29,30,32

Acts 6 & 7:
…there arose certain of them that were of the synagogue called the synagogue of the Libertines, and of the Cyrenians, and of the Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and Asia, disputing with Stephen. And they were not able to withstand the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spake….Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Spirit: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets did not your fathers persecute? and they killed them that showed before of the coming of the Righteous One; of whom ye have now become betrayers and murderers; Acts 6:9,10; Acts 7:51,52

Acts 10:
…we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree…. Him God raised up the third day, and gave him to be made manifest, not to all the people, but unto witnesses that were chosen before of God, even to us, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. And he charged us to preach unto the people, and to testify that this is he who is ordained of God to be the Judge of the living and the dead. Acts 10: 39-42

Acts 13:
…Paul stood up, and beckoning with the hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, hearken…they that dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath, fulfilled them by condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet asked they of Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all things that were written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a tomb. But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen for many days of them that came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are now his witnesses unto the people. Acts 13:16,27-31

Mt 23:
33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Mt 23

Mt 27:
25 And all the people answered and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.