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You are getting rather shrill now. Calm down a little.
All of Scripture is true. The problem is that you cannot accept it because it would blow a hole in one of your doctrines.
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First of all, it was not only God's will to put the Lord Jesus to grief, He actually did it! 'He has put Him to grief.' God has stricken the Shepherd (Mark 14:27) and you seem unable to admit this. Secondly, the men 'influenced by Satan' tried to kill Jesus, but failed. John 8:20. '....No one laid hands on Him, for His hour had not yet come.' John 8:59. 'Then they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.' These men were utterly unable to kill our Lord, until the time came for Him to lay down His life of His own accord.
Now in John 8:37ff, who was there? Was Pontius Pilate there? Was Herod there? Was the Roman execution squad there? No. The people who were there were those Jews who had initially believed in Christ (John 8:31). Did that include Caiaphas? Annas? The rest of the Sanhedrin? Hardly. So God's word tells us who was actually doing the will, not of Satan, but of God. "For truly against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined to be done" Acts of the Apostles 4:27-28). Once again; where is Satan in those verses? Nowhere! You insist upon reading him in.

If you want to see satanic influence at the cross, you need only look at Mark 15:29-32 and Luke 23:36. Everybody was calling our Lord to come down from the cross. I know they were mocking Him, but what a temptation that must have been! "Let this Christ, the king of Israel, descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe!" So if He had come down imagine their confusion! What could they possibly have said or done but confess that Jesus really was the Christ? So why didn't He? Because not to die on the cross would have meant that all mankind was still in its sins. There would have been no atonement, no propitiation of God's righteous anger against sin, and Jesus, having disobeyed God, would no more have been a suitable sacrifice for sin.. And who would have been the victor of the cross? That's right; Satan!

 

You are quite right. It was a waste of time to start the thread, since the issue had been flogged to death in two previous ones. Most of us, especially @JonC, have simply been repeating ourselves over and over again.
But there is another issue here. Some of us have complained in the past when threads have been stopped, and we have been told, usually by @Salty, to start a new one, . But when JonC wants to keep a thread open, all the other mods appear to bow the knee before him. Definitely not what it should be.

 

Wrong. That 'the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience' that crucified Christ was deeply involved is also apparent with Peter's denial, and not only Judas's betrayal, albeit with 'permission' (Judas was a child of the devil so no permission required):

31 Simon, Simon, behold, Satan asked to have you, that he might sift you as wheat: Lu 22


30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. Jn 14

Who came? Who appeared on the scene? How was this 'prince' manifested in this temporal realm?

3 Judas then, having received the band of soldiers, and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Jn 18

2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses seat:
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye shut the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye enter not in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering in to enter.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows` houses, even while for a pretence ye make long prayers: therefore ye shall receive greater condemnation.
33 Ye serpents, ye offspring of vipers, how shall ye escape the judgment of hell?
34 Therefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: some of them shall ye kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city:
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23

3 And the scribes and the Pharisees bring a woman taken in adultery; and having set her in the midst,
13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest witness of thyself; thy witness is not true.
22 The Jews therefore said, Will he kill himself, that he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come?
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mt 3

70 Jesus answered them, Did not I choose you the twelve, and one of you is a devil?
71 Now he spake of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. Jn 6

 

Satan had direct influence on Judas.

None of the other influence is direct. The closest is JonC’s repeated mention of the Pharisees doing what they “heard” from Satan.

Even that is not “direct”, as was mentioned there was no audible voice giving directions, no conversation.

As stated prior, the fact that Jesus determined the moment of His death when He said, “it is finished” and, “Father, into Thy hands I commend My Spirit”. At that moment, the body of Jesus died.

So, Jesus lay down His life by His own authority in the midst of evil men doing the will of Satan by torturing Him.

Peace to you

 

They were children of the devil! The Serpent bruised the seed of the Woman through his children in this material realm. Is that a hard thing for you to accept? I've noticed hesitancy from both camps to embrace it and call a devil a devil. Maybe it's like Matthew 19:11, not everyone is able to accept it, that Satan has his people in this realm.

 

Do you believe they are literally Satan’s children? That Satan had relations with their mothers?

Or…. Are they children of Satan because of their opposition to the things of God, in the case, Jesus as Messiah?

peace to you

 

What an inane thing to ask. Do you believe that God literally has His children? That God had relations with our mothers?

 

Paul opposed the things of God, and God had separated him from the womb to preach the things of God. Paul was no devil.

There was no forgiveness for 'the devils' that killed Christ.

 

Whew!!!! Thanks for clarifying. I met people who believe Satan, and demons, literally have children with women.

According to scripture, believers are adopted as God’s children. I know of no scripture that claims Sayan “adopted” people to be his children.

Peace to you

 

What are you saying "no" to? Are you denying that I said that the men were mocking?
Here you are again:

There is only one two-syllable word in that short sentence. What is it that you don't understand?

I certainly did. Is it not obvious? If Christ died on the cross, then Satan's power was gone. So obviously it would have been his last throw of the dice to get these people to urge the Lord Jesus to come down from the cross. How remarkable it is that four different sets of people (the huge majority of whom would not have been present at the altercation at John 8) should all mock our Lord in the same way. In Luke 4:13, we are told that the devil left Him 'until an opportune time.' If that time was not at Gethsemane and the cross, when do you think it was?

I've covered this at least three times, but here you are again. These men, who were those who had believed in Christ shortly before (John 8:31), took offense at His gracious words, and wanted to kill Him. Jesus said that their murderous intent was a sign that they were children of the devil rather than of God. Nowhere does the Lord Jesus say that Satan wanted to kill Him. But if he did, then now would have been a good time because it would have prevented our Lord from dying on the cross and redeeming Mankind. But of course, it was utterly impossible for these men to kill Him 'because His time had not yet come.' The great plan of the triune God, made in eternity, before ever there was a world, before there was a devil, decreed that Christ should die on a cross, bearing our sin and the curse attached to them.
Once Christ was on the cross, it was disaster for Satan. His last and only hope was to tempt our Lord to disobey the Father, break the covenant of redemption, and come down from the cross. Hence the mocking temptation.

It's all as clear as daylight. It is only your determination to stick with your faulty theory of the atonement that keeps you flogging this subject to death.

 

One of us is certainly guilty of hypocrisy, but I think you'll find it's you.
I have been looking at threads on this forum that have been closed recently, and noticed the following.

Penal Substitution Atonement Question. Closed without warning after 147 posts. You contributed extensively to the thread and made the last post on it, so I presume that it was you who closed it.
The Classic View (just a summary). Started by you, and closed after 183 posts by @Salty.
Will People be condemned for not believing in Jesus .......? Closed by Salty after 199 posts.
Is death God's punishment for sin? Closed by Salty after 121 posts.

I have neither reported nor complained about any of these threads. The hypocrisy is all on your side. I only ask why this thread is still going strong after 277 posts.

 

Please provide the passage where Peter “explained” the men who killed Jesus were doing the work of Satan?

Thank you in advance

peace to you