ONLY the bible itself is inspired by the Holy Spirit, but the Lord did and still does gift to us gifted men to learn and study the scriptures from, but NEVER place any of their doctrines and teachings on par with the scriptures, but as useful tools to consult and use
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Is Spiritual death a Biblical Concept then?
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I have listed many scriptures in reference to my stated positions, but you have already stated that for example Pst is wrong and false, so you would not study the verses, but just state "not found in the bible, but only in traditions of men"
And my point in listing those names is to just state that I stand in good company with how I view and understand the bible
I keep coming back to when the Lord Jesus plainly told us ALL that the father grant to Him SHALL be raised up and kept by Him until the last day, that NONE shall be lost again. Whatever Hebrews 6 means, has to be read in the light of the words of Christ on this topic
IF you hold to able to lose salvation, which I do not, the answer by this very passage has to be no
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I am persuased the milk being referred to in Hebrews 5:11-14, Hebrews 6:1-3.
Do you want me to go back over the 7 NT points of in 6:1-2?
This is where so called Lordship Salvation came off the tracks, as while those holding to it do want to preserve one should strive to please and serve Jesus, they at times make it sound as if unless Jesus is Lord of all, He cannot be Lord at all, and how many of us once saved have them every waking moment of outr lives?
We are saved right now, already having passed the Judgement and now having eternal life
Christ said, None are lost that you have given me, EXECPT the son of perdition, referring to Judas Iscariot.
Judas was lost because he lost sight of who Christ was, and wanted Him to be something different.
Judas could not have gone out with the 12, two by two, and performed those miracles without being in the faith.
Christ said that no man can pluck them out of my hand, but what did Christ say in Rev. 3:11?
"Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."
I think we need do some more study to see what this means.
Yes, that would be good!
1 Thessalonians 1:10 - "and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is, Jesus who rescues us from the wrath to come."
2 Cor 5:10. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive compensation for his deeds done through the body, in accordance with what he has done, whether good or bad
1 Peter 1:17-21. "If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; 18 knowing that you were not [o]redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. 20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you 21 who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God."
This is what I mean that you would do better to read the Bible than to read men's opinions.
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. . . principles of the doctrine of Christ, . . .
His death, burial, and resurrection.
. . . the foundation of repentance from dead works, . . .
Hebrews 9:14, How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
. . . of faith toward God, . . .
Hebrews 11:6, But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
. . . Of the doctrine of baptisms, . . .
Matthew 3:11-12, I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
. . . of laying on of hands, . . .
Acts 8:17, Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
. . . of resurrection of the dead, . . .
John 5:29, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
. . . of eternal judgment.
Revelation 20:15, And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
That is quite a bit of bouncing around the Scripture, and not in context to this particular passage.
You have to remember Paul is speaking to the Jews of turning back from Christ to the Law.
"Not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God."
He is telling them to let go of the works of the Law, and the faith in that system now that Christ has fulfilled the Law in it's entirety.
"Of the doctrines of baptisms," is referring to the many "washings" of purifications in the Law of Moses. This is where baptism originated, from the washings that no longer are to be observed with John the Baptist coming to show the purpose of the washings in the OT Scripture.
"And the laying on of hands," this is referring again to the Law of Moses, the laying on of hands in the sacrificial system. When an animal was sacrificed for sin, the person who brought the animal was to lay his hands on the head of the animal to be slain as the sign of the persons sin being transferred to the animal. This represents Christ dying on the Cross for our sins.
"The resurrection of the dead," is once again referring the prophets of the OT speaking on the resurrection of the dead but totally incomplete, Isaiah, Hosea, Daniel, all spoke of the future resurrection that represented Christ.
"And of eternal judgment," again referring the OT view of the judgement of God. But is explained in the NT, if you move on to it.
Vs 3, "And this we will do if God permit," refers to moving on to the NT where all of the Law is explained in Christ.
Then in vs 5, Paul begins to explain what will happen if they don't keep moving forward to the NT, they will begin to fall away, stuck in the first principles of the OT and not understanding.
I'm shocked....I agree entirely with this post.
I'm shocked....I agree entirely with this post.
That was just the surface in a glance, when you really get into it, which would take unlimited space on these boards, you will really be shocked.
The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed to man, this is what Paul was trying to drive in their heads.
The New Testament explains all of what the OT Law represented in Christ.
The Jews Paul was speaking to were lacking this knowledge and falling away!
Reminds me of Jesus' words to Nicodemus. But this is how branches were removed and new ones grafted in, so to speak.
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