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Charlie24

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Brightfame52 said:
Faith cometh by hearing of the Word of God ! 5

Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Faith cometh by hearing of the Word of God or the voice of God, or the voice of Christ, who is God. Now who is it specifically that hears the word or voice of God/ Christ ? The word for word Rhema means:

that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning
speech, discourse what one has said

a series of words joined together into a sentence (a declaration of one's mind made in words) an utterance
a saying of any sort as a message, a narrative 1c

concerning some occurrence

subject matter of speech, thing spoken of so far forth as it is a matter of narration
so far as it is a matter of command
a matter of dispute, case at law

In the original is reads:

ἄρα ἡ πίστις ἐξ ἀκοῆς ἡ δὲ ἀκοὴ διὰ ῥήματος Χριστοῦ or Faith cometh by hearing the word or voice of the Christ, the living voice of Christ !

The ASV:

So belief [cometh] of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Now Jesus tells us Himself this mighty truth as to who specifically it is who is hearing His Voice Jn 18:37

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Jesus states that the ones of the Truth heareth His Voice, So exactly what does the Truth mean ? 6
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Hello BF, haven't seen you around lately.

The Scripture says the truth will set you free, and I say, only those who desire the truth will be able to hear His voice and be set free.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

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Charlie24 said:
......and I say, only those who desire the truth will be able to hear His voice and be set free.
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....and your religion is just as man-centric as ever. The scripture in no way implies that 'the dead' are capable of desiring the truth. Dead people can do nothing. They must FIRST be made alive, i.e., born from above.


John Chapter 10

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To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

John Chapter 11

43​

And when he had thus spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

Ephesians Chapter 2

5​

even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)
 
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Charlie24

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kyredneck said:
....and your religion is just as man-centric as ever. The scripture in no way implies that 'the dead' are capable of desiring the truth. Dead people can do nothing. They must FIRST be made alive, i.e., born from above.


John Chapter 10

3​

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

John Chapter 11

43​

And when he had thus spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

Ephesians Chapter 2

5​

even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)
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Faith comes from the hearing of the Gospel/the Word of God.

Man will accept or reject that Gospel when they hear it.
 
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Brightfame52

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Faith cometh by hearing of the Word of God ! 6

Jesus states that the ones of the Truth heareth His Voice Jn 18:37, So exactly what does the Truth mean ? Well Jesus here uses the prep ek which means away from, out of, out from the Truth indicating from the interior to the outward, so it is " he that is out from the truth, which I believe Jesus means by this the Spirit, for the Spirit is the Truth 1 Jn 5:6

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

See also Jn 14:17; 15:26;16:13

The definite article precedes truth , reading the Spirit is the Truth ! So Jesus is saying " The ones hearing my living voice or my words" are the ones out of the Spirit, which means of course born of the Spirit Jn 3:8

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

or having been born out of the Spirit, and of course the Spirit is the Truth !

So when Jesus does declare in Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

He means His Sheep that have been born out of the Spirit of the Truth shall hear His voice, and of course such hearing is by which faith cometh by Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

So the Lord Jesus Christ without question teaches the necessity n of a Spiritual Birth in order to the Hearing of Faith, and man by nature, in the flesh cannot have or experience the hearing of faith, because only being in the flesh he hath not been born of the Spirit [God] !

Now this can be debated and denied until the world ends, but the Truth of it shall stand, and by the Grace of God I will proclaim it and defend it with scripture ! 6
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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kyredneck said:
....and your religion is just as man-centric as ever. The scripture in no way implies that 'the dead' are capable of desiring the truth. Dead people can do nothing. They must FIRST be made alive, i.e., born from above.


John Chapter 10

3​

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

John Chapter 11

43​

And when he had thus spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

Ephesians Chapter 2

5​

even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)
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"Dead people can do nothing. They must FIRST be made alive,"

So dead men cannot sin either KY. Your philosophy is flawed.
 
kyredneck

kyredneck

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Silverhair said:
"Dead people can do nothing. They must FIRST be made alive,"

So dead men cannot sin either KY. Your philosophy is flawed.
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You show your ignorance each time you post.

Ephesians Chapter 2

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And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,

5​

even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)
 
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Silverhair

Silverhair

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kyredneck said:
You show your ignorance each time you post.

Ephesians Chapter 2

1​

And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,

5​

even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)
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Just showing how foolish you views are KY.

You make dumb comments and then over react when that is pointed out to you.

The difference between you and is is that I actually trust the word of God and you trust what other men have told you the word of God means.
 
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