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6. After Calvary there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile

asterisktom

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After the final and supreme sacrifice of the Son there was no longer any validity in further sacrifices or, for that matter, any other obligation under the Old Covenant. Yes, many Jews continued observing rites, feasts and sacrifices of the Old Covenant, but mostly from ignorance or obstinence, the latter increasing as the former declined.

6. After Calvary there was no longer any distinction between Jew and Gentile
 

Charlie24

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Paul was speaking of salvation in no distinction between the Jew and Gentile.

There are so many distinctions and favors given to the nation of Israel that no man can count them.

All of it comes from God keeping his promises to faithful Abraham, the father of His chosen people.

Israel in no way deserves these many blessings, but they will be exalted over every nation in the world for 1000 years.

All nations will come to Israel to worship the Lord and they will have to go through the Jews to do it.

Zechariah 8:20-23

"Thus saith the Lord of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:

And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.

Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."
 

asterisktom

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There is as much distinction before as after.
God has never been a respecter of persons.
Your two sentences contradict each other. Have you not read in Ephesians that the middle wall of partition between Jews and Gentiles has been taken down?
 

asterisktom

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Paul was speaking of salvation in no distinction between the Jew and Gentile.

There are so many distinctions and favors given to the nation of Israel that no man can count them.

All of it comes from God keeping his promises to faithful Abraham, the father of His chosen people.

Israel in no way deserves these many blessings, but they will be exalted over every nation in the world for 1000 years.

All nations will come to Israel to worship the Lord and they will have to go through the Jews to do it.

Zechariah 8:20-23

"Thus saith the Lord of hosts; It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come people, and the inhabitants of many cities:

And the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, Let us go speedily to pray before the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts: I will go also.

Yea, many people and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."
Yes, Abraham, was the father of His chosen people. He is also the "father of many nations". We are grafted into these promises. If you are Christian then you are also one of His chosen people.
 

Charlie24

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Yes, Abraham, was the father of His chosen people. He is also the "father of many nations". We are grafted into these promises. If you are Christian then you are also one of His chosen people.

I was under the impression we Gentiles were grafted into Israel's covenant.

I thought Israel to be the natural branches of the olive tree and we Gentiles are the inferior branches grafted in.

I think I remember Paul telling the Gentiles (the Church) not to be high-minded, but fear, if God broke off the natural branches take heed that He also will not spare you.
 

JD731

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Romans was written in 58 AD and Paul, the author thought there were Jews and gentiles.

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are (present tense) all under sin;

He actually thought he was a saved Jew in 58 AD. Check it out.

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
5 Even so then at this present time (58 AD) also there is a remnant (of Israel = Jews) according to the election of grace.

The same author, writing in 60 AD, thought that the superstructure of the church was built on a Jewish foundation. I read that here.

Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye (Gentiles believers in context) are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Where do you get reasoning like yours?



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Ben1445

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Your two sentences contradict each other.
They don’t contradict each other. Read them again.
The distinctions before are the same as they were after.
God is not a respecter of persons.
The only way to make them contradict is to go to the extreme and say something like if God doesn’t see a difference between Jew or Gentile, He must think they are the same person. This is not in any way reasonable. God knows the difference between each person He creates. Each person is different and behaves differently. God’s standards are the same for everyone.
2 Chronicles 19:7
Wherefore now let the fear of the LORD be upon you; take heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts.

Romans 2:11-16
For there is no respect of persons with God.
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; ) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Have you not read in Ephesians that the middle wall of partition between Jews and Gentiles has been taken down?
Have you not read in the OT that God is not a respecter of persons?
What is the point of Jonah preaching to the Assyrians? They were on the other side of the wall.
 
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