The Close of the Canon Holy Scripture.

Ascetic X said:

Perhaps these amazing miracles are still happening today without fanfare or publicity. Many wonders are being wrought in Africa, Islamic nations, South America.

The incredible miracles in the first century were in the context of amplified faith due to the recent ministry of Jesus who was healing entire towns and vast multitudes of sick, demon possessed, and disabled, never turning away anyone, never saying “if it be God’s will, be healed”.

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Or it could be that God only works in those mentioned areas in more supernatural ways in order to get the Lord jesus and the Gospel confirmed and started off, and then he backs off as then will be norm of biblical preaching and teaching

atpollard said:

There really is a difference between God healing people in answer to prayer and lining up cripples so that an Apostles shadow can fall across them and heal them.

Spiritual Gifts are given to the CHURCH for the BODY as the Holy Spirit chooses and the body has NEED.

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Always would ask why oral Roberts medical center had same percentage of cancers and deaths as any other hospital area?

Ben1445 said:

In today’s world of tech, is there any proof of Christians going around actually healing people?
Or are these charismatic stories that draw more monetary gifts from gullible people with means?

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

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Yes, there are miracles.

The problem with PROOF is that for 40 days even Jesus walking around post crucifixion was not sufficient proof ... so what could possibly convince a heart determined to not-believe today?

I know a small Pentecostal Church, where you and I would criticize their "gift of tongues" as not agreeing with scripture where either a man came back from the dead, or a Doctor, an ER Nurse, a Hospice Nurse and two EMTs all got it wrong when they pronounced him dead during the service.

"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

JesusFan said:

Or it could be that God only works in those mentioned areas in more supernatural ways in order to get the Lord jesus and the Gospel confirmed and started off, and then he backs off as then will be norm of biblical preaching and teaching

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Jesus did not back off. His teaching was very much confirmed during His ministry, but He kept healing people.

God does not use healing and miracles as temporary tools just to establish or confirm the gospel. He uses them to alleviate human suffering because God is love.

Ben1445 said:

In today’s world of tech, is there any proof of Christians going around actually healing people?
Or are these charismatic stories that draw more monetary gifts from gullible people with means?

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

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I do not lose my faith in healing if fake healers are scamming gullible people. This does not negate the scriptures.

I personally do not need proof that Christians are healing people. I base my faith on the promises of God.

I am dismayed by pastors who preach against divine healing because they do not have enough faith in it to minister it to suffering people.


2 Timothy 2:5

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


James 5

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

atpollard said:

Yes, there are miracles.

The problem with PROOF is that for 40 days even Jesus walking around post crucifixion was not sufficient proof ... so what could possibly convince a heart determined to not-believe today?

I know a small Pentecostal Church, where you and I would criticize their "gift of tongues" as not agreeing with scripture where either a man came back from the dead, or a Doctor, an ER Nurse, a Hospice Nurse and two EMTs all got it wrong when they pronounced him dead during the service.

"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

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I don’t know. It should not be that hard to substantiate a man blind from birth being made to see after 30 years.
My biggest red flag is that the story always comes before the offering plate.

Ben1445 said:

I don’t know. It should not be that hard to substantiate a man blind from birth being made to see after 30 years.
My biggest red flag is that the story always comes before the offering plate.

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And for this I have an idea. Ask Joel Osteen for money. He can afford to give it away without any hesitation.

Ben1445 said:

I don’t know. It should not be that hard to substantiate a man blind from birth being made to see after 30 years.
My biggest red flag is that the story always comes before the offering plate.

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Honestly, how many churches have you been in where a man born blind could walk in and there would be any expectation that he would be made to see? Most churches that I have attended (spanning perhaps 10 different denominations) would have lovingly welcomed him and helped guide him to a seat where he would hear a wonderful sermon about what God can do. When it comes to God actually performing miracles, even the churches that believe in them tend to ”walk” like cessationists.

But maybe that’s just my experience and you attend churches full of people who are far more Spiritual.

(Isn’t there some scripture about ‘have not because you ask not’?)

atpollard said:

Honestly, how many churches have you been in where a man born blind could walk in and there would be any expectation that he would be made to see? Most churches that I have attended (spanning perhaps 10 different denominations) would have lovingly welcomed him and helped guide him to a seat where he would hear a wonderful sermon about what God can do.

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I’m right there with you.

atpollard said:

When it comes to God actually performing miracles, even the churches that believe in them tend to ”walk” like cessationists.

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Especially since signs are for those in unbelief.

atpollard said:

But maybe that’s just my experience and you attend churches full of people who are far more Spiritual.

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I’m not sure you understood what I meant. I thought it was clear that I was being the skeptic. I was just saying that I haven’t seen the healings that people talk about. I have only seen the part that looks like MMA in church. That is not what healing looks like. People flying through the air onto their backs looks like a recipe for stitches. I don’t know where anyone else is on this but you don’t need stitches if you’re healed. And if you’re being healed, why do you need someone to catch you when you fall? You shouldn’t feel it when you get back up.

atpollard said:

(Isn’t there some scripture about ‘have not because you ask not’?)

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Paul asked three times.