What is so difficult about answering some pointed questions? You guys take positions on scripture and when challenged with pointed questions about the position you go away or try to divert to something else.
“But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life ” (John 4:14). Can you explain this passage away? How does "everlasting" change into "non-everlasting"? These words cannot carry any conditions after the fact. Otherwise they are false statements. Didn't Jesus understand the finality of using these words?
Steaver's questions;
Are you then concluding that any Christian who has an outstanding debt of forgiveness owed will lose their salvation according to this passage?
Does this happen at a judgment time or is it instant, like while a Christian is holding a grudge they are unsaved and when they then repent and forgive the debt they are saved again? Just how would this work?
If yes, what if a Christian has held a grudge for say two weeks against another and then suddenly dies without forgiving, does this Christian go to hell then?
God Bless!
Absolutely correct! We finally agree on this statement, that leaves us with what? It is a warning to the “saved” not to bring the yoke of the law into the grace of God as a requirement for salvation. If they do this, then Christ becomes as “no effect” just like in John 15. All their works and deeds will be useless and burned in the refining fire.In Galatians 5:1-4 we see clearly the concept of "Fallen from grace". This is NOT a case of the "lost" getting "lost-er", NOR is it a case of the saved getting "saved only less so".
“a need to renew them again”? Hebrews 6 states that is “IMPOSSIBLE”. There is no “need”, it cannot happen!In Heb 6 we see clearly the need to "RENEW THEM AGAIN" to that grace and freedom from which they have fallen. THIS is also NOT a case of the "lost" getting "lost-er" nor a case of the "saved" getting "saved only Less so" NOR is it pure mythology that simply can not happen.
Why do you capitalize “ never ”? You are trying to emphasize that the word “never” means it cannot happen I presume, and I might add that is a correct understanding of the word. Now let’s see where scripture uses this word.In John 15 - getting cut off and burned in the fire - is NEVER the description of "salvation".
“But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life ” (John 4:14). Can you explain this passage away? How does "everlasting" change into "non-everlasting"? These words cannot carry any conditions after the fact. Otherwise they are false statements. Didn't Jesus understand the finality of using these words?
Yes, you already posted this and I asked you some questions so we can understand then how this works for a born again believer. Here they are again.In Matt 18 the "Forgiveness REVOKED" scenario described by Christ is "REAL" in fact SO REAL that He says "SO SHALL My heavenly father DO TO EACH OF YOU if you do not ...".
Steaver's questions;
Are you then concluding that any Christian who has an outstanding debt of forgiveness owed will lose their salvation according to this passage?
Does this happen at a judgment time or is it instant, like while a Christian is holding a grudge they are unsaved and when they then repent and forgive the debt they are saved again? Just how would this work?
If yes, what if a Christian has held a grudge for say two weeks against another and then suddenly dies without forgiving, does this Christian go to hell then?
God Bless!
