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Charlie, Jesus only saves those given to Him.

This of course is the biblical truth.

Hello Mikoo, Often a discussion can be helpful especially when truth is posted next to error. This thread started out with the premise from Isaiah, that the true and living God has ordained all things, and knows the end from the beginning, whereas the false gods, cannot know the future. A...

I have concluded my interaction with Ben for now. Here are some reasons why. I have already pointed out from the text that all those saved , are saved from their sins. They were ungodly, before God saved them. All believers were born in sin. This poster ignores this and suggests otherwise. okay...

Okay Ben. We have both had our say. Thanks for your attempted responses.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. The we and us, is right on in this context. It is the saints, who used to be ungodly sinners, who are...

I did not say isolate it from the rest of the bible did I? I am being open with you, but perhaps you have trouble dealing with that openess? We had a good discussion going on, but this looks like where you are attempting to get out fof the discussion without following through? let's see where...

While it might be a poor illustration, I think you mischaracterize it, you say.. God has put the" Unsavable in spiritual jail.." How about we look at it biblically, SIN has put all men in bondage as Jesus taught in Jn8. BLAME SIN, NOT God! No, it demonstrates the biblical teaching of total...

I do know, all men...look at who Paul describes; 2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 [For kings, and for all that are in authority;] that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and...

Allow me a carnal illustration; You can freely offer a person to be the starting third basemen spot on your softball team for this upcoming Saturday. You can say he has a "choice". However if you make a sincere offer to the person, but it winds up he is incarcerated at the local jail, he might...

Let's investigate that a bit, okay? One reason why we might be coming to different conclusions is I think the meaning is derived straight from the text. Would it be okay If I show you from the text? Okay, you raise a question. What does this text say, and who are the objects of this text, is...

You suggested I do not believe the bible. I just responded to your ungodly post. You have no need to to answer to what I post. You are not equipped to do so. God has already made known His will in scripture. There are no women preachers. There is election unto salvation, there is the doctrines...

Once again Silverhair cannot face the truth of Scripture, so he retreats into his own fantasy version of scripture. He invents a god who does whatever Silverhair wants him to do. No thanks SH. We follow the biblical truths of scripture.

I did not jump to justification. You foolishly went to Gal.3 in post 14 because you were unable to deal with the clear teaching of 1 tim2:11-15 Paul could not have written it any clearer. God has instructed believers who can and who cannot preach His word. I believe what God has written and know...

He has revealed this in scripture. revealed truth belongs to believers. Galatians 3 is speaking of who is justified, everyone knows that. If you cannot see that, you are not prepared to discuss this.

WE are equal as far as our justification SH! It does not mean in all things

So, because he does not directly have a quote from Jesus...Are you saying this verse is not given by Inspiration of God? Are you suggesting this is not authoritative?

Okay, that's fine. Yes isa. 42 has a context, but it is not divorced from the rest of Isaiah, or the whole bible. Ben, looking back we can say in hindsight, believers are "in Christ" Scripture speaks of God viewing the unsaved elect sinners, while they were unsaved, as being Chosen in their...