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1 Cor. 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." Paul was quoting from Isaiah 64:4 "For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear...

The way I see it, Dave, is that both the Pharisees and Paul acted in unbelief, but Paul's unbelief was proven to be an innocent unbelief, and the Pharisees a willful unbelief. The Pharisees stood before Christ and rejected Him refusing to see the light, but when Paul stood before Christ on the...

Awww, @Salty, I just noticed you placed Dispensationalism in "Other Christian Denominations." I guess that's the picture of the hill to be climbed. But that's ok, we'll clime that hill anyway. Dispensationalism is a Biblical doctrine that covers the entire Scripture from Gen. to Rev. I can't...

We have had such heated arguments, Van, the reason I didn't throw in my 2 cents worth. I was curious as to how you viewed those verses because I do agree with you quite often, I guess you didn't know that. We surly disagree here. When Hebrews was written there were many Jewish men turning...

No, wasn't referring to "burn the barn down" as ignoring God's Word, was referring to our normal arguments when we get together. We've had some barn burners haven't we? Anyway, I totally disagree, and I'm sure you already knew that. Allow me to ask this question, and thank you, Van, for...

Ok, when I get to it I'll post it here.

How do you interpret this, Van. Just wondering, no need to burn the down the barn. Heb. 3:14-15 "For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the...

I thought I seen a comparison, but I must be wrong.

Thread coming as soon as I can get to it.

Just trying to help. I would be terrified to face God knowing I placed Him as the God you proclaim. There is no such thing as single predestination, it's double or it's nothing, and you know where that places God. I'll leave you alone, Dave. We know where we stand.

Ok, I get it, you've totally ignored my commentary on Rom. 9. Not a single question on the contradictions, not a single question of detail. And you can't even prove from Scripture the "all" Is who you say it is. It's just what your scholars say it is, right?

There's that misguided Sovereignty of God again. I find it hard to believe that you can believe what you've been putting on the table. I find it hard to believe that you have totally ignored all the contradictions I've laid on the table. But of course you can believe whatever you like, but...

Dave I guess you're saying that "us all" is a specific group of people chosen by God, that Sovereign thing you have going on. That bucket won't hold water and you know it. If that was your purpose in that post.

I hear a call for a thread on Dispensationalism, with the Scripture to back it up. It's obvious that Paul is being very much misunderstood concerning Israel. I'll put that on the to-do list.

It seems there's a lot of TRUTH going in one ear and out the other and not registering.

@David Lamb These mistakes and many more I can bring up in Covenant Theology is the reason Dispensationalism exists.

Very much true, David. There is no difference in salvation for the Jew and the Gentile. You're reading in the rest, Paul is speaking of salvation here. The distinction is the promises God made to Abraham's natural seed, Israel. Covenant Theology spiritualizes the natural seed (Israel) to be...

The separation of Israel and the Gentile Church is clearly taught in dispensationalism. But only because the apostle Paul clearly taught it.

His belief is the end result of the TULIP theory. But let's give him time to figure that out for himself.

I was thinking @Zaatar71 , if a child is born and dies a few days later, that child would go to Hell being under the wrath of God. Paul, when referring to Esau and Isaac "not yet born, having done neither good nor evil.." is saying that these in the womb had no sin. How then can an infant...