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Well BF if it is not scriptural then why do you use it? This does seem to be a habit of yours. Make things up and then when you are called on it just say you do not care what the word of God say. So it is no the bible you believe but yourself.

When you find a view that requires you to twist words and verses to make them fit that view then you need to be suspect of the validity of that view. What L. Flowers said regarding Calvinism points out the problem with that view. If C/R is an error: The reason most Christians reject it is...

I have found over time that @Dave G does not like to engage with those that do not hold the same views as he does. It is unfortunate that he has chosen to do this as he looses out on the opportunity to find correction and to grow.

So only the justified/saved can hear with faith but if that were true then your saying that a person is justified/saved before they even believe. Where do you find the in scripture BF? Paul was quite clear in a number of verses that we have to believe the gospel first not after we are saved...

BF I did a search of all the bibles I have and could not find that "spiritual hearing" that you say people need to have. Since it is not in the bible where did that idea come from BF? And if it is not biblical why do you hold to it?

You do realize that Paul was writing to the Jews and pointing out that although they had the scriptures they have not understood them as they have rejected their long awaited Messiah. They have chosen not to hear or see the truth right in front of them because their hearts have become...

Yes No Not stated Yes Read the book of Revelation. Satan = devil Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, Rev 20:10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had...

It is amazing that for someone who quotes so much scripture you can totally miss what the text actually says. You are reading all those verses through the lens of your calvinism, which is your first error. When you attempt to make the word of God fit into your religion then you are on the wrong...

@Dave... as you may have noticed by now @Alan Dale Gross is not interested in biblical truth as he has his own truth. Him being a confirmed calvinists cannot have the person actually hear and believe the gospel and be saved, that would be the baptism of the Holy Spirit that @Alan Dale Gross...

It is not that @Alan Dale Gross did not read them he just ignores them as they do not fit his particular view of the bible.

You have it backwards BF. Salvation is the result of believing and confessing. Note what it says BF. Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

So you still will not bother to check out the foundations of your false philosophy. Your denial of the truth is truly saddening.

Then you have not been paying attention to what I have written. How many times do I have to quote the word of God regarding salvation before you actually believe it? Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, Rom 10:13 for...

But when you keep reading you find that salvation is conditional. Rom 10:6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: "DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, 'WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?' (that is, to bring Christ down), Rom 10:7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring...

BF I keep trying to point out the foundation of your errors and you continue to ignore this. Why is that BF? Are you afraid to investigate the foundations of the religion that you hold? It is those men that have brought those false ideas into the church.

God does not mislead but the men that you have followed have If you trusted the word of God then you would not be following tat man-made religion. There you go claiming that God gave you faith. If God had to give you faith then He has believed for you as you did not any faith of your own...

Rom 9:30 What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; Rom 9:31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Rom 9:32 Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by...

BF you are the one who holds to a 4 th century philosophy so those are not false accusations. Denying the truth does not alter the truth BF. Have you ever checked out the foundations of your religious view? I doubt that you have.

Ken you have been mislead. When you state "I contributed absolutely nothing to my salvation - nothing that I thought, or said, or did had anything to do with it. My believing and repenting were gifts from Almighty God, not mere fallen human attainments." Shows that you have not trusted what...

Ken I understand that you think you are holding to the truth's of God but you are reading them through the clouded lens of pagan philosophy. Ken, it is my hope that you will actually trust the word of God as written and not as you have been mislead. Calvinism - Augustinian Foundation These...