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I expect you to disagree Ken as you have to hold to that false philosophy from the 4 th century. You have believed what some men have told you is the truth rather than trust the word of God.

Your the one that promotes a philosophy from the 4 th century that has it's roots in pagan teachings. You call augustine's teachings good and we know he got those views from Stoicism, Neoplatonism, Gnosticism, and Manicheanism which are all pagan philosophies.

Ken my gospel comes from the bible not from a false philosophy from the 4 th century. You would do well to heed what Paul said in the verses you quoted.

I have to ask why do so many who hold to the calvinist view ignore the context in which a verse is found? By doing so you continue to make mistakes by misunderstanding what the writer was saying. Your choice of Act 13:48 is a case in point. You make the unsupported claim that they were given...

What's the lame excuse BF? BF you pull verses out of the context in which they are found in the vain attempt to support philosophical views that have a pagan source. When you continue to ignore context you are presenting your own views not the views of the original writer. Quite often you...

Are you calling pagan philosophy good?

I understand that is what you believe but since it is not what the bible says the question is why do you believe it?

Problem is that if the person does not freely accept what Christ has done then God does not save Him. So we do see a condition. Eph 1:13, Rom 10:9-19

BF you really do not understand what is meant by looking at the context do you. When you, BF, post a verse that is not supported by the surrounding verses in which it is found then you are ignoring the context. If I post a verse that is supported by the surrounding verses in which it is found...

That is what I call the false religion that you are trying to say is God's truth. Do some research for yourself and see what the foundations of the calvinist philosophy is BF. Augustine brought what became calvinism into the church from pagan teachings in the 4 century and calvin and others...

You are trying to prove a pagan philosophy is biblical.

BF you were starting in the right direction then you fell of the truck and said this "Once drawing starts, its a wrap, you saved" Drawing does not save anyone BF. All are drawn by Christ but not all are saved. That should cause you to see the error of your position but you continue to post...

Do you not have these verses in your bible? Mat_3:11 "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. Mrk_1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He...

BF you seem to be moving in the right direction at least. We are drawn by the power of God be it through His creation, conviction of sin, the gospel message etc. But man being drawn does not mean saved. Many who are drawn will reject God. All you have to do is look around BF. How many have...

There you go again BF, your words condemn you. Drawing does not make you a new creature just as it does not save you. Your view is not biblical so I have to ask where did you get it from?

That is something that I have pointed out to BF many times and yet he sticks to his man-made view of scripture.

You have to read your religion into the text for you to come to that conclusion BF. God desires that ALL come to repentance and Christ said He would draw ALL to Himself. Where you error is when you make the drawing irresistible. So are you saying that both God the Father and Christ were...

You continue to ignore the context BF and as a result you continue to make grievous errors. What does this verse say BF? Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor...

BF it is your words I am responding to. If you do not agree with what I have said then show me where my conclusion is wrong. You cannot say "The drawing saves them and gives them faith" when Christ tells us He will draw ALL to Himself and not expect to have that charge made. If Christ draws...

You stopped reading to soon BF Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. Joh 1:7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. Joh 1:9 That was the...