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This obscene thread is a "my way or the highway" thread. Only those given a perfect faith, instilled by God, which is the Calvinist view, are saved, all others, believing Calvinism is mistaken, are unsaved. This thread violates the basic tenets of the forum.

Again, I asked for the Father's basis for transferring an individual into Christ, and this poster changes the subject. These posters are enemies of the truth. Here is is contended that the meaning of John's phrase, originally written in Greek, does not mean, when literally translated into...

Why is it that Calvinists cannot address what scripture says, but must misrepresent the biblical presentations I post? Does God justify a sinner based of their righteousness? Nope. What I actually said: Believing Into Christ based on God (the Father) crediting your faith as righteousness is...

John 1:12-13 NASB But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God. Here is my interpretation: "As many as received Him"...

God allows humans to make choices that could alter the outcome of their lives, such as believing into Christ or not.

Yet more gibberish, believing John referred to positional sanctification when he used the inspired phrase believes into Him, is believing the bible. I asked for the basis of the Father's action, and you deflected.

Yet another Calvinist who has deleted Romans Chapter 4 from his bible.

God causes, ordains, predestines OR allows whatsoever comes to pass. God does not just cause, ordain or predestine whatsoever comes to pass. Exhaustive Determinism is unbiblical nonsense. Scripture teaches things happen by chance necessitating the allowance of chance occurrence.

More gibberish, more demonstration the poster just wants to obfuscate. In his deflection does he say what the Father does, or provide the basis for the Father's action? Believing Into Christ based on God (the Father) crediting your faith as righteousness is truth

I cannot believe these posters of obfuscation actually do not want truth to prevail! Believing Into Christ based on God crediting your faith as righteousness is truth. Removing God crediting the person faith as righteousness from the gospel does not allow truth to prevail.

So you admit you were deflecting, and not answering the question concerning the issue under discussion?

Obviously, this poster wants to pretend he cannot grasp the issue. Did he say who decides that a person believes such that they are transferred into Christ. Nope. Instead we get the usual stonewalling gibberish of an empty suit.

Please provide a dictionary definition that includes to allow in the meaning of ordain. That is your claim, but it is simply redefining the word. John 3:18 says we were predestined as condemned. This is a consequence of the Fall of Adam. We were made sinners. Romans 5:19 The KJV translates...

Off topic gibberish to obfuscate.

I provided the scripture supporting being transferred, called, given, sanctified and believes INTO Christ!

I do not believe you are so stupid you do not know you provided no basis for the Father transferring the person into Christ. Here is the question: I wonder if you deny it is God alone who decides whether a person's belief should be credited as righteousness, and on that basis to transfer the...

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 WPNT 13 Now we are obligated to always give thanks to God about you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you into salvation, through sanctification of spirit and belief in truth, 14 to which He called you through our gospel, so as to obtain...

If God credits your faith as righteousness and on that basis transfers you spiritually into Christ, then you have "believed into Him." Claiming you cannot make sense of this view is nonsensical. :)

Now, having once again shown the OT diversion only obscures the thread topic, lets return to the actual topic, the meaning of Hebrews 10:14, that Christ, by the sacrifice of His life, has made perfect, thus able to be in union with God, those who have been set apart (sanctified) in Christ. What...

From the internet: In Romans 9:24 the apostle Paul writes of how God has called individuals unto salvation “not from among the Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.” Then, in Romans 9:25-26, he continues by quoting from the OT: “As He says also in Hosea, ‘I will call those who were not My...