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I disagree with the OP because "ordains" does not mean to allow. That claim is simply a redefinition of a word to bring reality back into the false beliefs of the dark ages. Ordain means to establish or predestine something. The actual biblical doctrine of God's sovereignty, adopted in the...

Once again we have a false teacher being allowed to make an absolutely false claim, that it does not matter what a person believes. Did he support this with a quote? Nope. Ever wonder why all these folks only offer misrepresentations and never truth? What does Matthew 23:13 say? That people...

My friend, I have addressed your off topic references to Hosea. Shall we go over them again. In Post 27, you reference Hosea 1:9-10. I responded that the reference was non-germane in post #28. In Post 27, you referenced the Hosea verses cited by Paul in Romans 9:25:26. I responded by saying...

Once again you claim to be a mind reader, but ignore my post. Here, again is what I asked: I wonder if you deny it is God alone who decides whether a person's belief should be credited as righteousness, and on that basis to transfer the individual into Christ, or whether you believe if a...

The statement does not imply salvation as being "Initiated" by the lost sinner. How do you think a person believes the gospel without first hearing and heeding the gospel. Does anyone come to faith in Christ without first being "drawn" (attracted by lovingkindness) by the Father? No, of...

Good grief! The issue is what was the intended meaning, to believe things about Christ, or to believe such that God transfers the individual into Christ? To believe in someone, is the action of the believer, but to believe into someone refers to action by the believer AND God! Lets consider...

More false claims! 1) Is it irrelevant to Van which version you use? This claim has no support, as I have posted which versions I think best provide insight into the actual gospel. NASB ring a bell? 2) I make a big deal of correctly translating the OT text and NT text into English. 3) I...

Yet another dodge, another claim the OP does not mean what it says. People can believe wrong things about the gospel, such as Calvinists, yet still God will accept them and save them because He knows their heart. The opposite of the OP claim.

Those who ask questions but do not intend to answer them are unmasked as lacking integrity. Would it not be easier for everybody just to name the translation you mean?

Once again a poster refuses to actually address the topic, but seeks to hide within a flurry of false claims.

More false claims from someone who knows the truth. 1) Deflection by asking an irrelevant question, did you forget.... 2) Did I ever claim eis has to be translated as into? No, of course not. Such a obvious falsehood. What did I claim? See post #4. I claimed I was citing a version of...

Sounds like you are pathetically trying to change the subject from you obscene thread.

Open theism says everything is not predestined. Those that believe unbiblically that God knows everything imaginable, claim that this Open Theism biblical view is heresy. But they have never studied the topic. When asked why scripture says things happen by chance, they change the subject...

I disagree that "ordains" means to allow. That claim is simply a redefinition of a word to bring reality back into the false beliefs of the dark ages. Ordain means to establish or predestine something. The actual biblical doctrine of God's sovereignty, adopted in the OP, is God causes or...

Once again, denial of the obvious. Here are the obscene blurb quotations that demand 100% accord with God's truth: "God does not, will not, and cannot give faith to His people through a lie, for God cannot deny Himself." "People do not come to faith in Jesus Christ by a false gospel." Sure...

1) Scripture does not say God "effectually drawing Gentiles to faith and salvation" is says (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14) God chose individuals into salvation through setting them apart into Christ (sanctification of the Spirit) and faith in the truth (when credited as righteousness by God.) 2)...

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 WPNT 13 Now we are obligated to always give thanks to God about you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you into salvation, through sanctification of spirit and belief in truth, 14 to which He called you through our gospel, so as to obtain...

Folks, here is the deal: 1) God puts those of His choosing spiritually into Christ. Colossians 1:13 2) This transfer is referred to in various ways using words like, baptized into, or called into, or given to, in addition to "believes into." 3) The issue is "on what basis does God choose...

You have been unmasked Sir, everyone knows you chose not to answer.

Once again an off topic pointless post. I said presented, referring to the Reverse Interlinear of that translation has "into" and you falsely claim I said the translation had "into" as the translation. False and you knew it was false which is worse. I disparage those who claim John did not...