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@David Lamb These mistakes and many more I can bring up in Covenant Theology is the reason Dispensationalism exists.

Very much true, David. There is no difference in salvation for the Jew and the Gentile. You're reading in the rest, Paul is speaking of salvation here. The distinction is the promises God made to Abraham's natural seed, Israel. Covenant Theology spiritualizes the natural seed (Israel) to be...

The separation of Israel and the Gentile Church is clearly taught in dispensationalism. But only because the apostle Paul clearly taught it.

His belief is the end result of the TULIP theory. But let's give him time to figure that out for himself.

I was thinking @Zaatar71 , if a child is born and dies a few days later, that child would go to Hell being under the wrath of God. Paul, when referring to Esau and Isaac "not yet born, having done neither good nor evil.." is saying that these in the womb had no sin. How then can an infant...

Well, I suppose I don't agree, since you put it that way.

Daniel's prayer. 9:4-19 4 And I prayed unto the Lord my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; 5 We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done...

Yes, I agree, but His wrath is on the unbelief of man that makes him a sinner before God.

Hopefully you can see my point. God's wrath abides on the wicked because he has refused believe on His Son.

I hope this helps. 2 Thes. 2:11-12 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." They are all damned because they believed not.

If you read the next verse, 19 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them." God is angry with man because man will not acknowledge that He exists. 21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful...

"If you believe I am not He, you shall die in your sins." You see, not the sin but the rejection is the source of God's wrath.

Yes, through the perfect sacrifice for sin the forgiveness is there waiting for all men who will believe. Christ bore their sins but there is a condition that must be met for the forgiveness of sins. Those who reject that sacrifice in Christ still carry the wrath of God, they have no...

Obviously the wrath goes with the sin, and who is the sin bearer of mankind?

It went to Christ, He is the bearer of sin for all mankind, if they will accept Him. Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." As John has said, He is the satisfaction for not only our...

That's very much incorrect, JF. There has never been a covenant made with the Gentile Church. Paul is here speaking to the Gentiles. Rom. 11:24 "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall...

Yes, I agree. When I made the statement that God's wrath is continuous on the wicked, I had John 3:36 in mind. "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Ahhh, you're from God's county, NC. I'm originally from the Wilmington area, living near Charlotte for the past 25 years. Now that I'm retired I'm going back to my roots, the beach. God willing.

That's not nice, Alan, that is the precise type attitude that brings on my fidgety condition that continuously afflicts me. I've discussed it many times with my doctor and they give me medication, but to no avail. I suppose I will eventually have to separate myself from the sources that bring...

Out of respect for your previous request to continue in Rom. 9, I've decided to do so, only for you to understand my point of view. I think it very important, actually a necessity that we understand one another's view. I wasn't joking about being lazy, or I should say fidgety as I'm older now...