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No one has quoted Calvin here.

Yes, atpollard your first sentence destroys the ideas of these three men who deny straight up what scripture declares as if it is not what Is Written Yes, you then mention the effectual call that Christians delight in. Yes, it is ponderous why they express a hate for God, His word, and His people

These verses urge men to seek, it does not describe how that happens 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Paul did not share your view. He said none.

Calvinism fully taught is the teaching, of Jesus, The Apostles, and prophets. Your man centered theology, makes man as his own god, and attempts to portray the Biblical true and Living God as needing to learn what men will do, even though he says he looked from heaven and saw no one will seek...

Every Calvinist on here offered you scripture, that you did not grasp the meaning. The links offered contain mass amounts of scripture, which you attempt to dismiss because Godly men, professors, Pastors with 50 years of pastoral ministry offer, but you go with your own understanding, which is...

You can make up your own story, but believers are to believe biblical teaching, not stories. No matter what is shown to you, you think your duty to deny it. Got it.

He knows intinately all He has ordained to trust in His Son, because he elected them. You have been presented with truth.If you want to disobey truth that is on you as a free moral agent.

Yes, it means just what it says in scripture, just like scripture uses the word.

This is curious because not long ago in a thread where Professor Murray listed more than 54 scriptures, you were asked to comment on any of them, and virtually every post you made did not engage in the scripture offered, instead you kept repeating your own understanding, rather than scripture...

The anger was directed mostly at any form of a works based Gospel.

I agree in part.I just would say we should seek to leave no stone unturned and the closer we get to truth, the ,more effectively we can present the gospel.

Yes Sh we can. Often what people look at is the biblical use of the word...to know. In the dictionary the first 5 definitions read like this; To perceive with certainty; to understand clearly; to have a clear and certain perception of truth, fact, or any thing that actually exists. To know a...

There is also a reason that some cannot answer John Murray and Owen, because they cannot match their scriptural knowledge so they do not want to be exposed as weak.

Charlie, I tell people all the time, serve God with what you know, until you know a better way. We should all desire to please God rather than look for peer approval. I have know Cals whose daily walk was questionable, I have known Non cals, who were strong in prayer, and evangelism.

Okay my smug friend! I see where you are coming from!

No...I will check it out as time permits. I think I have a fair understanding of the position but others might be stronger or more gifted to help. Overall many times a person who is still swimming in those waters, can offer more on it. At one time I think I liked all 4 positions,lol For...

Lol..C.. we have to have some fun right! We are professed brothers in Christ after all. If I can help you with your premill or dispensational ideas, I will try and help, but I suspect others are better qualified to do that.

I was Always believing in God being in absolute control of all things. The church I was first attending held to a weak dispensational premillennial teaching. We were taught that this was the true view, and as a new believer I said, well if the bible teaches it, I have to try and learn it, and...

lol...in your world, maybe. I have not been in churches that fail to study it out.

Thankfully God is Absolutely Sovereign in effectually calling and drawing sinners to himself. I have known many who tried to resist the clear teaching based on emotional or other factors. Some go to Churches where the teaching is not sound, or even worse some try and indoctrinate people against...