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    Going by.."What is Written"

    Ben ask me anything that you want,
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    Going by.."What is Written"

    Are you judging me Ben? jn7:24 for you
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    Going by.."What is Written"

    Hello Ben, I am not sure why you are saying this. These message boards are set up for being able to discuss things and agree or disagree. The red flag is when a person declares that they isolate their outlook, to only what they understand. No one has called into question my beliefs. That being...
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    Dispensationalism,

    yes, that is what I thought...it was always about all nations coming to Jesus. Gal.3: 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto...
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    Dispensationalism,

    Isa. 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. It looks like gentiles are included...
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    Going by.."What is Written"

    Here again this poster seems to avoid the topic, in favor of his own speculation. he cannot deal with professor Murray as is quite obvious now. In both threads we see a pattern of avoidance and deflection. That is okay. When people cannot answer the scriptures offered, what can they do? They...
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    Predestination is a Beautiful Doctrine.

    True saints rejoice in this truth as Paul offered great praise to God In Eph1;3-14 for starters. he goes on to reveal that this is part of His Eternal purpose that is revealed to the Church. Eph3: 8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach...
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    Dispensationalism,

    You used the term "true Israel". What do you mean by that term? was israel false in some way? also what do you mean that God is dealing differently with gentiles? thanks in advance
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    A God called man makes short work of the weak objections to truth. We can see how a faithful teacher goes line upon line exegeting truth. No one answers because they cannot begin to enter in to the massive amounts of truth speaking of so great a salvation that we have, In the Lord Jesus Christ.
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    Study on Redemption Accomplished and Applied By Dr. John Murray Part II - Chapters 1-2 The Order of Application - Chapter 1 I. INTRODUCTION Murray is dealing with the order in which redemption is applied to the believer though a series of acts. Theologians sometimes call this...
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    Study on Redemption Accomplished and Applied By Dr. John Murray Chapter 3 - The Perfection of the Atonement In this chapter Dr. Murray is teaching us the degree to which Christ’s work, his atonement, was complete. How much did the work of Christ accomplish? To what degree does his work...
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    pt3; Romans 5:8-11 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. [10] For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to...
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    C. Reconciliation - Focus is upon restoring a relationship This applies to a relationship of enmity and alienation. · Murray, p. 33 “We might be ready to think that the reconciliation terminates not only God's holy enmity against us but upon our un holy enmity towards him. Our...
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    To completely crush the weak objections, we offer more from Professor Murray, enjoy! Study on Redemption Accomplished and Applied By Dr. John Murray Chapter 2 - The Nature of the Atonement I. THE COMPREHENSIVE CATEGORY OF THE ATONEMENT Murray - p. 19, “The Scripture regards the...
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    Scriptures Supporting Consequent Absolute Necessiry Hebrews 2:10, 17 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. Therefore, He had to be made like His...
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    Here are things that would help the poster john, but he chooses not to read them; Study on Redemption Accomplished and Applied By Dr. John Murray Chapter I Atonement Defined What is an Atonement? Christ’s work of self sacrifice…In the Old Testament, the word is used frequently to translate...
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    Here is part2, for those who enjoy scriptural truth. “He also foreordained.” One of the main objections urged against the foregoing view of “whom he foreknew” is that it would obliterate the distinction between foreknowledge and predestination.57 There is ostensible progression of thought...
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    The Biblical Propitiation Of God's Wrath, and PSA.

    Here is more of the solid teaching of Professor Murray; Commentary on Romans 8:28–30 by John Murray 28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be...
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