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Actually I did address it. I prety much agreed with it all.. I just see "perseverance of the saints" differently than you do. You should not assume things.. It was nothing against you at all. I made a general statement And I disagree in part because the term "perseverance of the saints" As...

Alot of people do this no matter what "ism" they follow

I just made a statement. Based on what I have heard calvinists say in the past. I have also seen it written as perseverance of the saints. in fact. before you make silly accusations. You should probably check yourself A quick google of perseverANCE of the aints showed this and much more...

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that would definately fit the use in question

beating a dead horse comes to mind for some reason

Yes, Faith is in the hope..it is a confidence in.. Not everyone has confidence in God.. so not everyone will trust God for eternal life.

They have hope that if they repent and confess. That God will save them..

Amen For it is by grace we have been saved - Through faith God does not force us to believe.. He demands we make a choice..

I disagree only Because I believe God offers everyone hope.. and the ability.. Ie. We reject God as a people. God does not reject us (we believe or we do not believe) But God does not force us. or enable is with irresistible grace so that we do not make a decision. this is where the division...

So we are totally unable to fall on our face and call out To God for salvation? Why would God do this to his creation? And not give us any hope or possible freedom from our sins?

question. If God gives his creation free will. does this make him not absolutely soverign? If you think the answer is yes. then why?

I thought the same

Calvinism says God must make you alive first. There is no choice. In the end, it basically says a man is forced to believe (they would never believe without Gods help. but they will never disbelieve after God has helped. For by grace we have been saved through faith. Jesus died for all.. Jesus...

Saints do not persevere. God keeps them. I used to agree with the 5th point. Now I am not to sure. I believe it may be just a response to the lie that we must persevere to the end to be saved (salvation can be lost)

Then they would be alive from eternity. One is justified by faith.. so they were not made justified from eternity

that is forcing when you make them do something, you are in essence forcing them

al men are born spiritually dead. the wage of sin is death God will not make someone alive while still in a state of unbelief and condemnation. I am not sure where you come up with this

sadly. I could not continue with BF. he goes to every chatroom spreading the same hate. I had to put him in prayer

well the word you wrote does not in any way refute anything I have said. fatalism is not found in scripture. Not even Israel were cast ourt because of Gods decree. Jesus wanted to gather them as a mother hen, but they were not willing. God does not force people against their will