Search results

Are we reading the same Scripture where the Hebrews in the wilderness would not obey God, but yet He pleaded with them to do so? All through the Scripture God is pleading with Israel to keep His commandments but would not. That tells me man has free will to say NO to God. But it it's not good...

It ever ends with you, Van. They were accepted by God through faith just as we are, Justification by faith.

No, Ken, I'm speaking against your theory and that has everything to do with it. I realize I also have a different interpretation and they clash. We're talking about a an insult to God if your interpretation is wrong, that's not the case if mine is wrong!

Just as with Abel when God accepted his sacrifice, He accepted the man who presented the sacrifice in faith. The same goes for Abraham and all of us for that matter.

I'm not resenting and despising you, Ken. I count you as my Brother in Christ despite our differences. I take the theory you hold very seriously as a direct insult before God.

I'm resenting, despising, and speaking against your Calvinist interpretation of Rom, 9:10-23.

Yes, I am what you say in the 1st paragraph, can't deny that! But I'm a creation that was given free will to choose my way through this life. I can choose God and be with Him forever, or I can reject Him and be with the god of this world forever. God does not make that choice, and you will...

It's obvious that we must hear before we can believe, I think no one will argue with that but the Hyper-Calvinists. I think it's obvious if we believe that we are declared righteous before God and washed immediately. So I don't get your point of this? It can all take place in seconds and the...

What you're saying is that God chooses who will be His robots, and off the Hell with the rest He doesn't want. Whether you like it or not that is what you've said!

Is it possible that all 4 steps you've given can be completed at one time, in seconds?

The "natural man" is the unsaved man, which all of us were at one time. The natural man/unsaved man cannot understand the things of the Spirit, until the Spirit breaks through man's depravity and present the truth of Jesus Christ with the Gospel. Then man is faced with a choice to accept...

This is a misunderstanding of Total Depravity, to the point that man has no ability of his own to do anything but obey God. This is where so many claim the Calvinists as robots. They refuse to accept that man can say NO to God if he so chooses.

Everyone I've talked to believes it all happens at the same time, instantly. But you have to set an order of things, for what reason I have no idea.

"IF thou shalt confess the Lord Jesus..." Rom. 10:9-10 What does the IF mean, BF? I will pay you $500 IF you will help me do some work. What does the IF mean?

It's impossible to be saved without God making that declaration. That's just common sense!

That's a truth if ever I've heard one.

Aw man, are you for real? I should be learned now of entering into a conversation with you!

Please tell Van that, he seems to see something different.

You're making a big deal of nothing, Van. The declaration of God to righteousness is enough, the washing takes place at the same time as far as I'm concerned. Why do you have accuse someone of something that doesn't add up to a hill of beans?

I guess you are thinking there's a period of time from when we believe and placed in Christ. I say they take place at the same time, instantly.