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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    The Psa view of the Atonement is the one held by Jesus peter and John and Paul, and they were inspired in that theology
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Again, did not the entire sacrificial system points towards the Messiah death as being Psa, as did the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53?
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Jesus remained very God, never emptied Himself to no longer being very God, correct?
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Jesus never died spiritualty, as he remained always very God, but did experience as a Man all the wrath and judgement form the Father due to all lost sinners that he came to save and reconcile back to the Father
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    The experience Jesus had was NOT like every crucified person had, as he suffered that physical pain and torment, but far worse was facing and enduring upon that Cross the wrath and judgment earned and due to every lost sinners that he would ever save
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    We derive our doctrines from the very word of God, as we clearly see them taught and held in there, but others who dislike the concpt of wrath of God as being pagan and foreign are blinding themselves to reading and seeing that in the Bible
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    Traditional Baptist Beliefs

    Would be very interesting to read the full Systematic Theology of Van textbook
  8. J

    Snuggling With Satan?

    My bible stated that Jesus death for due to the predestined plan and purpose of God the Father, not satan
  9. J

    Snuggling With Satan?

    Satan had no ransom debt owed to Him, as the party that we are obligated to was God the Father, as our law breaking incurred a sin debt to Him, not satan
  10. J

    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Chosen in the beloved before the very foundation of the earth, from eternity past
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Without the Psa view of the atonement of Christ, there is NO basis for how and when the wrath of God was ever satisfied, nor any basis given with out that view as to how Holy God can stay as such and declare as now righteous in Christ
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Satan had NOTHING to between in our salvation, as all he did was to be used by Sovereign God to help in the plot of wicked sinners to get the Lord Jesus upon that Cross, but all of salvation transpired between the transaction between God the Father and God the Son , as Jesus paid not any ransom...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    IF JonC really has indeed read all of those listed authors, he would have been clearly shown via each on of them that the Psa view of the atonement would be the most biblical correct viewpoint to hold
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    He experienced what every lost sinner will for all eternity
  15. J

    What Doctrine could keep us from Heaven?

    Eternal secured by the sealing of and by the Holy Spirit
  16. J

    was there ever a time when God was caught surprised, or else learned something brand new to Him then?

    Yes, as many churches neglect to even give a sermon on real salvation unless its the required Christmas one
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    Traditional Baptist Beliefs

    The earliest Christians as taught by the Apostles themselves were of the Particular salvation mode, not your full free will edition
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    Traditional Baptist Beliefs

    You keep parroting the heresy of the full free gospel, but you either never quote the scriptures, or totally misapply/misunderstand them, as you indeed filter thru the lens of full free will
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