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Someone will say that I'm adding to Scripture what is not there. Im not stating a fact in Scripture because it's not there, I'm stating what I believe. I believe there many saved in Egypt when the 10 plagues took place and some of the Egyptians with no knowledge of a coming Christ believed what...

Those are the Hebrews/Jews, the conversation is about the Gentiles who had no way of knowing, unless they came in contact with the Hebrews and learned from them, as some did. But the rest of the Gentile world didn't know, and God did not pass them by who He knew would believe.

This takes us back to Rahab, Naaman, and all the rest of Gentiles that were saved before Christ was revealed in person. They had no knowledge of Christ and the Gospel, and were saved by the faith in Heb. 11, which was faith in the One true God. Their sins were covered by the Blood of Lamb...

It's even possible that Abraham passed down this knowledge to Isaac, then to Jacob, then to his sons, the 12 tribes. But the point I'm making is that the Gentiles in pagan lands had no way of knowing.

Exactly right, Z. Whether you believe God actually spoke to Abraham or revealed this to him in a dream or vision, doesn't matter. What matters is that Abraham wouldn't have known anything about the coming the Christ if God hadn't revealed it to him. Abraham was different in that through his...

The Gentiles like Rahab, Naaman, the Ninevites that repented at Jonah's preaching. All the Gentiles that lived before Christ who lived in pagan lands with knowledge of pagan gods and no knowledge of the One True God and His Christ.

That makes two of us who don't understand what's being said. My point is that the OT saints could be saved without understanding the Gospel message that we now understand so well.

If you're that far out of the picture, I'll just leave you there. There is nothing I can say, or no one else.

There are several examples but for now I'll use this one. When Christ told the apostles He would be handed over and suffer many things at the hand of the religious leaders and be killed and raised up on the 3rd day, Peter rebuked Christ and said no, this can't happen. None of the apostles...

No, God doesn't always get His way with man. We see that throughout Scripture with God pleading for Israel to turn from their sin. It will be too late for man when he see's the full glory of God. Nowhere in Scripture is it taught that man gets a second chance after death, that's why the...

The faith in Heb. 11 is faith in God and His promises, those promises included a coming Messiah. Some had a distant understanding of this and some did not, especially the pagan Gentiles. Heb. 11 is demonstrating justification by faith from the time of Abel before the Law, and after the Law...

I have to agree! I have other things to do rather than watch grown men act as fools. But I'm not ignoring their skill and bravery. Like a boxer in the ring, mama's boys need not apply.

I lean the other way, there is nothing good that God said about Adam after he fell from innocence. But you could be right! I won't argue that.

This is also what Calvin ignored, though it was there for him to see. God predestined man to a plan to be conformed into the image of Christ. His redemptive plan. God did not predestine the individual of His choosing for salvation, that is pagan!

If you notice, Christ was sent forth "as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in Christ." What was the plan? The plan is all that believed in Him would be delivered to the Father spotless, body, soul, and spirit. That is God's plan of redemption at work, and all that He...

Christ is hidden in the OT Scripture but is very much present in types and shadows. He was there at the bitter waters in Mara when God told Moses to cut down the Tree and cast in the water. That Tree represented the Cross of Christ and what He there did. And the waters became sweet. He was...

Naaman did exactly what Rahab did, both being pagans in a pagan land, and both were gloriously saved by faith.

It's ok if you don't believe God seen faith in Naaman and arranged everything for him believe in the one and only God to his salvation. It all began with God showing favor to Naaman, to make his salvation possible, knowing he would believe. 2 Kings 5:1 "Now Naaman, captain of the host of...

I guess you would say the same of Rahab after she acknowledged God.

That summary is what I've heard over the past 30-40 years from many who have a problem with Calvinism. That summary being almost always the point made. Of course there are others who have a much better understanding of the problems represented in Calvinism. They tend to get into the...