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Why do you think the miracle of Israel becoming a nation again in 1948 took place, after almost 2000 years of being scattered all over the world? God has promised to save them, all of them!

Let's read the next verse Rom. 11:28 "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes." The nation of Israel is God's chosen people and they are our enemies concernig the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as a nation they...

Yes, I can see how you could believe that. God is merciful and gracious to all of mankind, He strives with man knowing all will not accept Him. He pleaded with His Chosen, Israel for centuries, until they crucified their Christ. And still He is pleading with Israel to come to Him, but they...

Universal Restoration, those cultists that believe Hell is temporary and all eventually are accepted by God.

You are afraid of taking one page at a time and discuss it as I tried to do. I think you're lost in Romans and only know what your so called scholars have told you!

Nothing I say will be considered by you, I try and you place a roadblock, the signature of the TULIP dreamers.

Dave G, you cannot understand Rom. 9 without understanding the rest of Romans and put it together. I will say it again, the TULIP dreamers will only stick to a certain passage of Scripture they can manipulate. Exactly what you're doing here, as all of you do.

Rom. 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

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Your not reading the context of what these verses are saying, you pick a verse and use it for your purpose without understanding what it's saying. You have the characteristics of the UR, the context doesn't matter.

We must settle who are "the children of promise counted for the seed" as Paul said before moving on, Dave G.

OK, Dave G, let's get it right! All of Israel is not Israel because all of Israel is not in the faith of Israel (Jacob). This whole chapter is on Israel's unbelief in Christ. Israel believed they were saved by being a descendant of Abraham through circumcision. Paul says no! You are of the...

Go ahead, I've got your #.

That's pretty much the way Calvin did it, reasoning himself into heresy and ignoring the sign posts along the way.

The great sin of TULIP is leaving out the theme of Scripture. It's like the UR (Universal Restoration) focusing on what they manipulate and ignoring everything else.

"Adam fell, therefore Christ must die." That is if Adam's fallen race is to be redeemed. Pastor Price is very weak in Scripture.

I believe God gave man free will to choose his own way. Just the way He gave it to Adam in the Garden.

God can't fail, that is impossible. Ken doesn't understand God's mercy and grace toward mankind, to you He just shuttles off to Hell all that He doesn't want.

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No Ken, you don't want to understand as you have been told countless times. God made man a free moral agent to choose His own way. Man does not control God's salvation that he can make God a failure, that also is ridiculous! God has given man the ability to choose his own destiny by the...