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Not what the bible says BF. That is just your calvinism talking.

Then you are denying the word of God BF. You are just spouting the calvinist line which is not biblical.

Sorry BF but you have been lied to. TULIP is anti-biblical and anyone that tells you it is God's truth is flat out lying. I am accountable for being truthful in how I handle the word of God. You have failed in that BF by your continued denial of His word.

Only those that freely choose to trust in God.

You must be reading your calvinist bible BF. There is no mention of "the elect" in Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." NKJV Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.” BSB Joh 12:32 "And I, if I am...

BF the word of God is God's truth, calvinism came from the 4th century pagan philosophy that augustuine brought into the church. So since your calvinism disagrees with many things in God's word it can not be God's truth but rather it is just a man-made religion.

One is only regenerated/saved after they have responded with faith to the various means that God uses to draw them. So all the unregenerate are drawn just as Christ said He would do.

Again you are teaching universalism BF. Christ draws all [Jn 12:32] and you say all of them are the calvinist elect so all would be saved. So those drawn by Christ "that's everyone" would be saved, that's universalism.

That is false calvinists teaching BF, it is not biblical.

So are you saying that Lydia, none of the Jews at Pentecost or Cornelius could understand the gospel message, that is not what we see in scripture. We see in scripture that the natural man can hear and respond in faith. So when we see this in scripture then it is obvious that you have...

There you go denying clear scripture again.

BF many will be drawn to God through various means but not all will turn to Him in faith. You continue to deny clear scripture.

BF you continue to promote universalism when you say all that are drawn will be saved as we know Christ will draw all man to Himself. John 12:32

Up to the point that one is indwelt by the Holy Spirit they are a natural man. The natural man can respond to the various means that God has used to draw them to Him but he can also reject that same drawing. Those that reject the drawing of God will remain in that state and will continue to...

BF you cannot equate the drawing of Christ to regeneration as that would mean you are saying all people are regenerated and that is universalism. Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.”

What you are promoting is universalism BF. That is not biblical and you should know this.

We were all unsaved sinners before we responded to the drawing of God. God uses many means to draw man to Himself whether creation, conviction of sin, the gospel message etc. But even with all these it is still the unregenerate man that must respond as God does not do it for him. That is why we...

Yes it has as it then offers what they consider to be support for their particular view of salvation. We have total inability to save ourselves but we have the ability to respond to the drawing of God.

You are right @canadyjd "they think the doctrines of grace are clearly taught in scripture". Your TULIP/DoG is a man-made philosophy based on 4th century teachings that deny to truth of God's word.

What error Van? Your view is the odd one that leads to what I had said. What does Act 16:30-31 tell us Van? Now according to you it should read: Act 16:30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Act 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and {then...