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Which man do you think misled me, Jesus, John, Paul, Peter?

It seems to me that you are reading into the text what is not there. What I see is that God, as we see in your examples, can save whom He chooses to save for what reasons He chooses. I agree that Enoch and Elijah's experience serve as prophetic examples of the future translation of the church...

Those that have the gospel presented to them are responsible for how they respond to it. Where we differ is in what do we say about those that never have the chance to hear the gospel. Luk 18:26 Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?” God has provide various means by which man can...

That is not what we see in Heb 11 regarding the OT saints. Using your stated view please explain Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; AND HE WAS NOT FOUND BECAUSE GOD TOOK HIM UP; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to...

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As I said we do not save themselves. God draws all men to Himself but are all saved? If all are not saved then why not? What is the difference between those that are saved and those that are lost? If what you say is true then why are not all saved? He said He wants all to come to repentance...

David Guzik's Position on Calvinism Personal Beliefs David Guzik does not identify as a Calvinist. He appreciates many aspects of Reformed and Calvinistic theology but does not fully agree with all their doctrines. Key Points of Disagreement Guzik emphasizes that he believes in: God's...

Glad to hear that Dave. Now you have to answer this,who do you think it was meant for? We were all natural men prior to our salvation. So from what you have been saying none could be saved as you have obviously ignored the rest of what Paul has said and what we see in the rest of scripture. It...

You have really gone over the edge if you think that is true.

You have got to be joking. TULIP/DoG is not biblical. It is something that came out of the mind of men.

Yes @canadyjd you should read my posts carefully. They will prove helpful for you in over coming your misunderstanding of the love of God.

See that you still want to limit God is how and whom He can save. You must have a real problem with Heb 11. Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous when God gave approval to his gifts. Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so...

Well stated. Now if those of a certain view will just follow the logic of it. Always like to see well reasoned comments. Even those I may disagree with.

I understand what the biblical grace of God is BF. I just do not accept the twisted version that has come out of calvinism.

To quote you BF "you following your theory". I have told you many times I only trust the word of God and I quote the word of God and you say it is my theory. So you are in effect calling the word of God a theory. Now your 4th century philosophy is a theory.

That is just @canadyjd hobby horse. By his logic none of the OT saints were saved and as you pointed out no babies or mentally handicapped could ever be saved. He just seems to have a lower view of the power and love of God than I do.

So you still do not believe the words of Jesus Christ but rather believe the words of men. That is rather foolish of you BF.

The word of God is not theory BF. On the other hand your 4th century philosophy is just that, a theory.

You have focused on one verse but ignore the rest of scripture. Paul also said the gospel is the power of God for salvation, also those that hear and respond to that gospel will be saved also if they would confess and believe they would be saved. So if what you think is true then Paul was lying...

Key Baptist Distinctives Baptists are known for several core beliefs that distinguish them from other Christian denominations. These distinctives are rooted in biblical teachings and emphasize the autonomy of local churches and the importance of individual faith. Main Distinctives Distinctive...