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Yes, I am what you say in the 1st paragraph, can't deny that! But I'm a creation that was given free will to choose my way through this life. I can choose God and be with Him forever, or I can reject Him and be with the god of this world forever. God does not make that choice, and you will...

It's obvious that we must hear before we can believe, I think no one will argue with that but the Hyper-Calvinists. I think it's obvious if we believe that we are declared righteous before God and washed immediately. So I don't get your point of this? It can all take place in seconds and the...

What you're saying is that God chooses who will be His robots, and off the Hell with the rest He doesn't want. Whether you like it or not that is what you've said!

Is it possible that all 4 steps you've given can be completed at one time, in seconds?

The "natural man" is the unsaved man, which all of us were at one time. The natural man/unsaved man cannot understand the things of the Spirit, until the Spirit breaks through man's depravity and present the truth of Jesus Christ with the Gospel. Then man is faced with a choice to accept...

This is a misunderstanding of Total Depravity, to the point that man has no ability of his own to do anything but obey God. This is where so many claim the Calvinists as robots. They refuse to accept that man can say NO to God if he so chooses.

Everyone I've talked to believes it all happens at the same time, instantly. But you have to set an order of things, for what reason I have no idea.

"IF thou shalt confess the Lord Jesus..." Rom. 10:9-10 What does the IF mean, BF? I will pay you $500 IF you will help me do some work. What does the IF mean?

It's impossible to be saved without God making that declaration. That's just common sense!

That's a truth if ever I've heard one.

Aw man, are you for real? I should be learned now of entering into a conversation with you!

Please tell Van that, he seems to see something different.

You're making a big deal of nothing, Van. The declaration of God to righteousness is enough, the washing takes place at the same time as far as I'm concerned. Why do you have accuse someone of something that doesn't add up to a hill of beans?

I guess you are thinking there's a period of time from when we believe and placed in Christ. I say they take place at the same time, instantly.

I'm following Paul's instructions for salvation, and you insist it's works. He is the only author of Scripture that explains salvation and tells exactly what it is and what to do.

I guess when you have nothing else you can say the response will be I'm working for my salvation.

I don't think Paul is teaching a works salvation. But whatever you say, BF.

Go tell that to someone who doesn't know any better! Heb. 6:4-6 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall...

Has to edit that from Corinthians to Galatians.

I'm not talking about someone who was never saved and has no fruit to recognize. I'm talking about born-again believers transferring there faith to something other than faith in Christ for their salvation, or adding something to that faith alone as the Galatians did and Paul told told them...