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Where is that doctrine of full free will taught though, as my bible states that desire God, no not right, nor seek after Him?

we now have spiritually died in Adam, and when born again made spiritually alive again in Christ

Something did change my brother, its called the Fall of Adam and that brought to us all now spiritual death

Where then is the full free will gospel taught in the NT?

The Holy Spirit regenerates us based upon the election of God unto salvation

Unless the Holy Spirit enables them to hear though, they will remain deaf and dumb to it

Perfect summary of the doctrine of irresistible grace towards and upon His own elect

God bases His election towards us who will be found in Jesus per His good will and pleasure, and then He predestines us due to our election in Christ, so 2 separate processes here, and diagreement would be on just what basis did God rest His election onm?

So to understand what you are stating here, and thanks for the clarification JonC, is that while were were sinners and under the judgement of God for those sins, God decided to save us based upon our repenting and he then made us saved and brand new creatures now in Christ, and forgive our past...

So we would disagree if Jesus tok wrath of God due to us when sinners , but what fo you mean when saved we no longer have prior dins Hod has to deal with or am I misunderstanding you?

manmade as in what Jesus and his Apostles held and taught?

Have w quoted to you and fellow posters several times scriptures, yet keep being said to be not truth of the word, just philosophy

It is beyond our minds to fully understand how one as the sin bearer can become sin for us, to be treated by Holy God the Father as Chief sinner, and yet still remain sinless Himself

Already can hear "taint so"

That is the mystery and Paradox, as Jesus before the Father had to be treated as if was literally sin incarnated, yet all of time stayed sinless and Holy

The Holy Spirit himself regenerates the elect of God unto salvation, as we need to have Him grant to us a new heart and mind in order to receive Jesus as Lord thru gift of faith

Elect based upon the will of God, not His foreknowledge

He would by his own logic have to throw away then the Kjv

No bible translation would be perfect, but all 3 Persons of the trinity certainly are perfect

You seem to be agreeing with that person who equated Holy Spirit is the bible