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    OSAS Trap

    Confession is cathartic because we have within us an innate desire to confess and off load. Our conscience deep within us is God’s voice calling us back to him, not to hide in our woundedness. We don’t confess to just anybody however. How many times have confided in someone only to be betrayed...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    People might disagree with other denominations beliefs and perspectives but that’s no reason to censor them. I can’t just ignore the vicious attacks on my faith, even scripture says to prepared defend your faith, it’s Scriptural to say something. But it also says to warn your brother who is in...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    I start with the presupposition that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth, which aligns with scripture. You disagree with this, which ironically contradicts the scripture. If the premise of Protestantism was true, that Scripture was the sole authority and all we needed was to...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    Only God can convince anyone of anything, there is big difference between someone of good will hearing the word, and Richard Dawkins hearing the word. I’m only presenting the traditional interpretation of scripture, not mine or any other human interpretation of scripture. For instance. The...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    I have contempt for the error that divides us, not for the brethren in error, who I consider brothers in Christ none the less, and all the more if they are prepared to contest for their love of Him. 15 “if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household...
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    OSAS Trap

    You condemn others interpretations of scripture as if they are wrong and hold your interpretations of scripture are right. On what basis? Because you say you are guided by The Holy Spirit in your interpretation. You are claiming infallibly in your interpretations of Scripture, yet when asked...
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    OSAS Trap

    All the ancient Churches from the beginning believed in water Baptism as regeneration, being “ born again “ of water and Spirit. It was a totally universal belief of the Church until the 1500s, but became only the majority belief. Still is the majority belief. Symbolic Baptism is the heretical...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    What about all the other Bible alone denominations. Unitarians etc etc. The Catholic Church is large because it is the oldest Church, it is only asset rich but those assets are where we worship on Sunday. Vatican hill was pagan Rome’s garbage heap, where the bodies of Catholics killed in the...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    Yeah, well I’m Captain Stubing, and you’re on The Love Boat.
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    No we don’t. I have had a full volume set of The Fathers from a young age, I have hardly touched on them in quoting them to you. I know what they say, and they don’t resemble bible alone theologies. Baptist’s are a small subset of the Bible alone believers, but even among them theology isn’t...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    Theological development is one thing, but totally contrary interpretations of Scripture is another. What has happened in the last 500 years of Bible aloneism is complete divergence and scattering, on the same scriptures. They are still debating the basics with no consensus, but have constant...
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    OSAS Trap

    So you personally can be guided in interpretations of Scripture, but the Catholic Church that preserved scriptures through persecution and determined the Canon of Scripture itself by her councils, can’t be guided by The Holy Spirit. Who is arrogant again? Ever consider your interpretations as...
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    OSAS Trap

    So you are infallible then, congratulations. If only the world could have your infallible interpretations of scripture, being an oracle of God and all. Strange that Martin Luther said the same thing ‘I Luther, guided by The Holy Spirit ‘, so why aren’t you Lutheran. Could you run the United...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    The manifest chaos has been in Bible alone Protestantism, every wind of doctrine has been interpreted from scripture there Dave. You have seen the Fathers interpretations of Scripture, your interpretations are alien to them Dave. They hold to Catholic interpretations of Scripture it’s plain...
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    OSAS Trap

    The old “ some man “ . Like some baptist theologians, I could name a few “ some man’s “ telling you what scripture means. They don’t carry the same weight as the Church Fathers, that’s for sure.
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    OSAS Trap

    I did one better, I quoted the Fathers who were quoting the scriptures and giving their understanding of them. Baptism being “born again” Fathers quoted scripture. Catholic Understanding Confession the “binding and loosing” “ forgive and retain “ Fathers quoted scripture. Catholic...
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    OSAS Trap

    Good, give me the whole, Ive quoted them on the precise points doctrine.
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    Up to the point you interpret it, then the Church is the Authority. Whoever interprets it claims authority, it’s then a case of judging whose claims are legitimate. A sitting Justice or a guy on the street. The Court itself is an Authority. Catholics being traditional Christianity are...
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    Essential Doctrine from the Bible

    You didn’t read what I said. All appeals to Scripture are appeals to someone’s interpretation of Scripture. Scripture can’t be the final authority, it simply ends in the unsettled circular mess we see in Protestantism, where each appeals to his own interpretations, coming out with his own...
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