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  1. J

    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    [ I am going to summarize your points and answer generally because, like mine, your post is long. I do appreciate the exchange. First of all, I am not advocating that one must read and understand the scriptures in order to be saved. I am advocating that he, the sinner, must believe the...
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    Jack Hyles Versus John R. Rice

    I have heard Jack Hyles preach in person several times and my evaluation of his preaching comes from my own personal opinions from listening to him and from reading things he has written and interaction with those who considered him their leader in fundamentalism back in the day. The term I...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    The phrase "at hand" is in my Bible a total of 32 times beginning in Genesis. It is in the OT 11 times and the NT 21 times. Looking at how they appear in context will instruct us in how we should understand the term. In time it most often means to come near. Here is an example in the first...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    This is what I mean by saying the words are not believed by non word believing Christians. You are making the case that the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven was at hand, which included the gentiles even after understanding that no gospel of any kind was preached to gentiles until well after...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    The emphasis of this thread is to determine the meaning of "at hand." The OT is full of references to a physical and earthly kingdom where a particular seed of Abraham through David will be the eternal King. No one can deny that the OT says this. This means that all involved, Abraham, David...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    Well, I suppose it is how you look at it. If just reading the scriptures was enough for everyone to understand them then I am not sure why God established a pastoral office and gave him the instructions to study the scriptures so he will be able to teach others and then instructed his church to...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    Hear this, I have been oft times criticised for too long posts. But, I undergird all my points with scripture, and not just one sentence but enough to establish context when I can. I am not throwing out unsupported claims and I take offence to your charge. When I made the claim that Jesus in the...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    That is easy to assert but harder to prove CJP69. I am willing to agree with you if you can prove it in context and with logic and reason and right words. However, These men have tried to teach me to prove the scriptures with short sound bites, but I will not bite. If you will not explain your...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    Jesus has not inaugurated his kingdom yet and it is 2000 years later. If he did it today then no one would say it is is what Jesus meant by his kingdom being at hand when he came lest they be counted as a fool. Jesus said all during his ministry until the last days of his earthly ministry that...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Jesus was referring to the transfiguration. He made this statement as he and his disciples made their way toward Judah and Jerusalem where he would be...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    Percho, nothing against you personally and I am glad to be exchanging ideas with you but sometimes I read things that are so overwhelmingly wrong that when I read it causes my jaw to drop and I almost fall out off my chair. Your quote is one of those times. What do you mean that all authority...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    To the readers of the thread: What if Jesus and his apostles and disciples were busy preaching the gospel, the good news and glad tidings that Messiah had come to set up his messianic kingdom and it was "at hand" and only required the repentance of the nation of Israel for it to be soon...
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    Paul at Ephesus

    Actually there are no metaphors in John 14:6.
  14. J

    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    <<<B U M P>>> for KYRedneck. You are needed here!:Biggrin
  15. J

    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    Thank you CP69. It is refreshing to see someone who gets it. Praise the Lord for you.
  16. J

    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    To all the commentators who are interested in the op; The portions of the gospel accounts that deal with the last 8 days of Jesus ministry which included his resurrection from the dead numbers 29 chapters. This is almost exactly one third of the 89 chapters of the four gospel writers. This...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    #1 - Yes #2 - The kingdom is God's and Jesus is his firstborn from the dead, Making him the rightful heir in the economy of God, Col 1:18, all those in Christ (his body, the church) are made joint heirs with Christ. The kingdom as it relates to earth when it is established is under the son of...
  18. J

    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    There is another reason to consider concerning the Kingdom of God that was at hand when Jesus came and when he was having a conversation with Nicodemus in John 3 about entering the kingdom. Jesus said this about the kingdom to him. Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I...
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    Was the Kingdom of Heaven Really at Hand When Jesus Came

    So, logically and obviously if Jesus began to preach the kingdom of heaven is at hand in Mt 4:17 after John the Baptist was murdered, he who had already been preaching the kingdom of heaven is at hand and was jailed for it, then the kingdom of heaven was not present during those days. You have...
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