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Exactly. But it has to be faith in a person: the coming "Seed of the woman," the Messiah (OT) or the Messiah who has already come, the Lord Jesus Christ. I am very familiar with these episodes, having a friend who is an Iranian evangelist. What is happening, though, is not without the Gospel...

You're missing my point, I believe. You were talking about people being saved without the Gospel in this NT dispensation, not the OT dispensation. (Don't be turned off by the term "dispensation." Many theologians use that word who are covenant theologians, and indeed, it is in the Bible.) So I'm...

Hopefully we agree, then. But when I wrote that I didn't understand, it was in reaction to this you wrote: "The same goes for the Gentiles who God knew would believe in Him but never had access to that knowledge." What Gentiles were you speaking of?

Back in the 1930s, as pro wrestling became scripted, a genuine match was called a "shooting match," and probably still is today, though I'm not sure. Back when I was in high school I sometimes watched local matches on TV, I could tell which were shooting matches since I was a wrestler. The...

This example doesn't fit the question. Until the cross and resurrection, the disciples were still under the Old Covenant. Their salvation was through faith in the coming Messiah, who of course they believed was Jesus. However, Christ's death for sin and resurrection were a mystery in the Old...

There's a great book from the 1930s, pretty rare I believe, with the title The Fall Guys. It tells how modern pro wrestling developed from the Catch-as-Catch-Can style of the day. Abe Lincoln only lost one match out of about 100 in that style, and I wrestled with it in High School in the 1960s...

Please don't confuse general (natural) revelation in Rom. 1 with the salvific message given through special revelation. God sees those who seek Him outside of normal missionary activity, but then guides preachers to them to give them the Gospel. Rom. 1 says nowhere that God will save without the...

Here's a big problem with the idea that a sinner does not need to hear the Gospel to be saved. "14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they...

I mostly agree with this, but I do think there is evidence of faith in Adam and Eve because of their son Abel, who was said to be righteous, and I think that was because of parental training. Abel knew the correct sacrifice to make.

Well, I am happy for the modern post office in our town. :D Kind of small, though.

I've been laying off for a while, but this thread begs for good theology. First of all, no one has mentioned the protoevangelion, Gen. 3:15, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." With this...

Must be a matter of perspective. You have your truth and I have mine. :Cool

Har de har har. ;) Took me 9 years of prayer, but I've been married for 45 years to the best girl in the world for me! God's will is always the best.

@Cathode. I'm going to bow out. I simply don't have time to answer your extremely long screeds. Your post 26 to me was almost 1000 words, and very unsatisfactory. Today I have 18 exams to grade, two quizzes to prepare, two personal Bible studies to prepare, a book my editor wants another rewrite...

And I've been teaching church history for 11 years. Neither of our claims make us correct. But again, most of your quotes are irrelevant to my points. Why in the world would I try to convince you of OSAS? We're talking about Charlie Kirk and Catholicism here. OSAS is one of the most argued...

This is the philosophical error called begging the question. You state something here with no actual proof, then sit back and think you've won. But actually, your begging the question fallacy is based on a linguistic fallacy called the etymological fallacy, in which a word is assumed to carry...

I see that you are the kind of debater that seeks to overwhelm the opponent with tons of irrelevance. None of these quotes disprove my thesis about the origin of the Catholic religion. You missed my point, which was not that these practices did not exist before Gregory, but that he codified...

I don't maintain that there were Protestants or Baptists in the early church, only that there were independent churches. There were also no Catholics. This is easily verified by paying attention to the pastors who attended the council of 313. None were said to rule any other churches. All were...

Not really. The NT canon was already accepted by the churches long before the Catholic religion was started. Churches were all independent until AD 313--fact! It is impossible to prove a Catholic religion before then. Newsflash: there is no evidence whatsoever that Peter was any kind of "pope."...

These images did not exist in the first century, so they cannot be what the Apostle John was referring to. And there is no historical evidence that John did gematria.