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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    The manna in the desert is the prefigurement of Jesus in the Eucharist the daily life giving food direct from God. Jesus flesh is real food and His blood is real drink. It was not enough that the Passover Lamb be sacrificed, but it also had to be eaten. Jesus indicates that His flesh was to...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    The word is both spoken and written to the Jews, the Jews never were “ scripture alone “. No one believed the scripture alone heresy until Luther, a false tradition of man. The Apostles were the Oracles of God that’s why we follow Apostolic Tradition in interpreting Scripture. Not the...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    You are already following a man made traditions if you follow scripture alone and faith alone as invented by Luther. Neither Scripture or Apostolic Tradition teaches either of these. Pure man founded traditions of men.
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    Jesus established the Eucharist so that He be in Covenant Communion not just with those of His time on Earth, but for all time onward. Jesus makes Himself available to all of us personally to sustain us throughout this life. “Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. This...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    All of traditional Christianity, all the Apostolic Churches from the beginning have believed Jesus words literally, that the Eucharist is Jesus flesh and blood. This was unanimously and continuously held belief by all the churches for the first 1500 years. Then a small group deniers, denied...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    As pages turn, chapters end and books close, men make their choices. If you were to take an oath, a solemn oath for absolute surety of your soul, what would you base it on? “ This is my Body “ “ My flesh is real food and my blood is real drink “ I take an oath before all of you. May I never...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    No, Catholics don’t hold them as lost if they don’t become converted, we aren’t Baptist’s you know. ;) The concern is that you don’t have all the powerful assistance of the Church that Jesus wanted you to have. The Eucharist and Confession, being the primary help to salvation. Because of the...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    You are running quite the shell game yourself. You aren’t even trying to understand what I said. It feels like you would rather the Catholic Church issued you a condemnation, to justify your prejudiced position. Fact is no, you are separated brethren. The original purveyors of the heresy are...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    No, I agree with Trent and Ignatius, it’s the heretics that face condemnation, not the separated brethren, unless they are convicted of its truth but still resist it.
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    That was Ignatius’s quote, about heretics. Where does it say “accursed”? Gee thanks.
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    Catholic Magical Mystery Tours

    No, Jesus was there.
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    Never said anyone is going to hell, nor have I accused any Baptist’s of satanism or paganry, or called their church the whore of Babylon, nor intimated that a few Baptist’s might be saved, but generally they are all going to hell. All of these things have been directed at me by Baptist’s...
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    Arguing full circle.

    Darrell look at Church history. Look at all the ancient Apostolic Churches beliefs. All of them say water baptism is regenerative, all of them say they always baptised infants, all of them say the Eucharist is the flesh and blood of Jesus. It was unanimously held doctrine for the first 1500...
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    Arguing full circle.

    “So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.” 2 Thess 2:15 Here we see that we are to hold to both the Oral Tradition of the Apostles and the Written Tradition together. Not scripture alone. Do we see this...
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    Arguing full circle.

    Just suffice to say, examine your interpretive tradition, see when each doctrine began to be espoused and believed. If it’s new doctrine based on a human founders interpretation of scripture, avoid it. ie Symbolic Baptism, symbolic Eucharist, denying infants baptism. All these have a start date...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    They all believed that the bread and wine literally became the body and blood of Christ. Transubstantiation was a word that came along much later, to describe exactly that. Even in schism East and West all believed that the Eucharist is literally the body and blood of Christ. So for the first...
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    Arguing full circle.

    The Apostles police the Church in their successors, and successors simply pass on what was handed down to them by The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit guards the Apostolic Tradition. Real corruption takes place when private interpreters subject scripture to their fallible opinions. Thousands of...
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    Arguing full circle.

    Just as the Written word of God was guarded by The Holy Spirit in copying, the Spoken Word of God was guarded in the preaching of the Church through the Apostolic successors, that is, the Apostolic interpretation of the Scripture, the Divine Tradition. “For those are slothful who, having it in...
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    Arguing full circle.

    This is actually quite simple. The Bible came from the Catholic Church. If we can trust the Catholic Church to preserve the scriptures from the Apostles and determine and declare the Canon itself, then it surely is the only one than can tell us what it means. “Likewise it has been said: Now...
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    The plain reading of Scripture then Traditional

    We can say with all safety and intellectual honesty, that all Christianity for the first 1500 years believed in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, body, blood, soul and divinity. Catholic, Orthodox and Coptic Churches all profess the same belief. Only after the reformation do we see...
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