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Greetings JohnC. Many thanks for your contribution to this site and keeping it running. 1John 2:2 is a good example of a reference to the multiple intentions of Christ, imo. It seems to be clearly speaking about what Christ did for those that believe AND clearly refers to all mankind without...

Dave, greetings to you brother. I have asserted on this forum before that I believe that the Supralapsarian position is mistaken and therefore false. Beza originally used the Greek dictum, “that which is first in intention is last in execution...that which is last in execution is first in...

Thank you for you time Van. I appreciate you trying to impart some wisdom to me. Regarding the quote above, you are right. There are a lot of topics going on. So let's try and narrow them down so we can get into the weeds and drill down. Let's start with your interpretation of John 12:32...

Greetings again and thank you for your reply. Ahh, salt right out of the gate. Glad to be back. :) Starting from the end of your post and then moving forward. To this, it would seem we agree. Thank you for the clarification. You are here asserting that you are a not a Diest. Got it. The...

Greetings Van. I'm back from my wedding anniversary weekend. Made some good memories. I hope your weekend was a blessed one. To be more precise, at least in what I think the Bible teaches, I do think that God has made the first move through His Cosmic Triumph of the Powers of Darkness and...

Good morning to you Van. I hope you had a good week. I myself am heading to a four day anniversary weekend. So I won't be able to respond to anything (isn't that perfect). As with most others I respond to, I agree with a lot of what you wrote in your OP but hold a different stance on some...

Greetings brother. God blesses in ways even unseen. So I am doing well. I think we are :) Agreed. Sin produces death, the power of sin is death, the sting of death is sin. This is without the law, thus, it is lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness. Agreed. The law only condemns, makes guilty...

Greetings JonC. Hope you are enjoying your day. Many blessing to you. The only law that the Scripture would seem to have presented as being transgressed was the law of "thou shall not eat" (Gen 2:17, 3:1, 3:3). Could one look at the Moral Law (by this I specifically mean the Ten...

Greetings to you JonC. May God bless those that seek Him. I like how you present how you are thinking through it. It also helps with my understanding of your thought process. Before I give any responses, I agree that Paul may at times be referring to different laws. Looking at your timeline...

Just wanted to give thanks for this post. Letting you know that I read it and see more of your clarification in it. I won't respond to it due to your other post that I think my responses that would be in it, would cover what is in this post. Peace to you brother

Greetings again JonC. Hope your week has been a good one. I've been working on some study projects, so I have been purposely away and focusing on the projects. I think I understood your general position. Maybe not the details as much. I think most all would hold this, as it is written. One...

Greetings brother JonC Do you then disagree that the Moral Law given to Moses so that "every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God" (Rom 3:19)? Peace to you brother

@Ben1445 Greetings JonC. Forgive me again for coming into your conversation with another. I have heard, and think I understand most of your complaints about the Penal Substitution Theory (some of them I agree with). In general, we agree that the Penal Sub theory ignores the Cosmic Triumph of...

Regulus, I have not read any other post but the OP in this thread... my deepest prayers for you and your tribulation you are currently having. Divorce is very painful for any and all. It is unclear to me what "broke my vows" entails. But I can relate to that horrible bottom one finds...

Greetings again Van. Peace and hope in Christ our Lord. As usual, I'll take the middle ground. Yes, God's providence is complete. Before the foundation of the world God the Father with God the Son “worked out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will” (Eph 1:11). Knowing all that...

JonC. Thank you for your thoughtful reply and patience. I agree that one can find many instances within Scripture that contrast the Law against mercy and faith. However, faith was supposed to be essential for approaching the law. While the law provided rules and regulations, it was meant to...

Greetings and apologies for my late response. Ok, you do make a distinction between "justice" and "punishment". You also say that, "justice involves more than a penalty for a crime" (in this, we agree). Here we might have some disagreement. On the one had you say something I agree with...

JonC, forgive me for butting into a conversation with another. I would agree that the "wages" of sin is death according to the Bible. Some words that I think can be seen as synonymous are... (a) wages of sin is death (b) payment for sin is death (c) the cost of sin is death (c) natural...

Greetings JonC. I apologize for the late response. Life things interrupted my typical study routine. Just getting to all the posts you have put in this thread. In response to your witness in the above quote. This is why, for me, I am a life long learner of God and His wisdom. I often get...

Greetings JonC I understand that you (1) differentiate the view of Penal Substitution with what the exact words of the Bible state. I also understand that you (2) believe the Atonement is a foundational doctrine. What I don't know is "how" you differentiate between the two, i.e., between P.S...