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JonC, thank you for your gracious response to my post. May our Lord sharpen us through our interactions as iron sharpens iron. I will be jumping around the topics in your post and not taking them in order. I agree that these are the appropriate translations to English (to my layman...

Greetings to you JonC. Peace and hope to you in our Lord Jesus Christ. Just my musings about this debate. This word propitiation has been difficult for many, I am no exception. At one time I even looked at it as being like the word "satisfaction". I think your analysis above works well...

Greetings to you Dave. What a great day God has made! I would first like to thank my Calvinist brothers (all those that lean Calvinist) for their defense of God's sovereignty. All praise and glory to God. I do enjoy reading those of Calvinist mind, even though I am not a Calvinist proper...

Greetings again JesusFan. Hope and peace to you and yours. I'd like to challenge the notion that "but the truth is someone still has to serve and fulfill the death penalty". Is this really true regarding justice? If a man in Nebraska is convicted of a murder and is sentenced to death. But...

Greetings JesusFan. Blessings and hope to you for being a vessel of God. As I have stated before on this site. I believe that Jesus satisfied multiple intentions upon the cross. It is an error of all these theories to focus on just one intention. To be as basic as one can to express my view...

Greetings to you brother. Thank you for you thoughts that help sharpen me. I like to say, total depravity is not utter depravity. R.C. Sproul said something similar. In fact, Calvinism as I understand it is a spectrum (Hypers would deny this and demand strict adherence to their form). In...

Silverhair, praise be to God for this glorious day. I hope your day has been a good one. I noticed that you and @David Lamb were referring to 1Corinthians 2 and thought I might chime in uninvited. :Barefoot There are some things in which I fully agree with my Calvinist brothers on...and...

Greetings Dave. Thank you for your contribution to furthering God's truth. It seems to me that the total depravity debate has been hijacked by the extreme binary views (I won't blame just the extreme Calvinist position but the extreme Arminian positions also). Too often I enter discussions...

Greetings JonC. Grace and hope to you. I have started to go over your responses to other people to try and understand your position. Since the OP is about Dying Spiritually, I'm assuming that all your comments are an attempt to reach this end goal. My initial assumption is that you are...

Greetings JonC. Thank you for your witness on this board and the time you offer to God as your living sacrifice, I notice that the title of the OP is Dying Spiritually. Further, you made this statement below in post #4. So I am taking it that you are taking the position that Adam (mankind)...

Greetings Zaatar. Thank you for your witness and your time on this sight. Regarding the topic of 'Is man a Dichotomy or a Trichotomy?', I would seem to fall somewhat in the middle. I'll try to present a snippet of my position (one I think the Bible teaches). It seems to me that the Bible...

Greetings to you Dave G. Grace and peace to you and yours. Thank you for responding to my OP. I would like to inquire into a couple of things if that is ok with you. You presented that God knew all things, provided verses and explanations (thank you). If we look at Proverbs 19:21 and...

Greetings Ben. Thank you for responding to my OP. I have a few questions if you don't mind. It would appear that your position is (1) God knows all things (without getting into a dispute of exactly what all things entails), (2) God allows a type of freedom of will and action [this seems...

Greetings to all my brothers in Christ. May God bring peace and grace to all here. My inquiry has to do with, what did God know or plan before creation. Was it everything or was it only some things? Of curse a determinist will have a different perspective than a theist. But I think most...

JesusFan, Thank you for your ministry on this site and your work for our Lord and Savior. I have not read any other post except your OP. I myself am a little more close to the vest here which isn't a surprise since I don't think anyone has it all right. I would say that I think ...

Greetings JonC. Grace and hope to you through our Lord Jesus Christ. I would first like to say that I am not commenting on "where does wrath go" or commenting based on the others in this thread. Since wrath is tied to the law I am focusing on what you said in the quote above regarding the...

Thank you KenH for presenting this for debate. When I first read this, I came away with one conclusion. But after reading it again, I'm not sure my first blush take away was correct. Trying to break down Kenny's quote, it seems that the overarching topic is... If I restrict what Kenny says...

Thank you for your reply Van. Peace to you brother. My apologies if that is the case. I assure you I am not intentionally ignoring anything. If I pass over your point it is because I missed it, for got to address it, or don't fully understand it (I am a little slow sometimes). Do you have...

Greetings Van. Thank you for your thoughtful and kind post. I must say, I'm impressed. You seem to be the first that I have encountered that brings up this nuance (although most I debate about this verse are probably more Calvinists). That is, [peoples] is an added translator word that is...

Greetings again Dave. Peace and hope to you and yours. Regarding your above quote... I have found that this is a common modern day approach to the debate of Supralapsarianism verses Infralapsarianism. Not only by those that appose Supralapsiariansim but by those that advocate...