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So then what do you think it means in Eph 1:13 and Rom 10:9-10. Is that confessing [prayer] Christ or what? Are there a special set of words that someone must say for it to be considered a confession of faith prayer? Although this verse is not found in the best manuscripts lets look at what...

David what do you think calling out to God is if not a prayer? In Rom 10:9-10 what do you think confessing faith in Christ is if not a prayer? Explain Eph 1:13 not being a prayer? If it does not have the exact words it does not mean that the text indicates,is that what you are saying David...

Actually the idea of a sinners pray goes back just a bit more than that. Paul suggested that here Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes...

They gave you a safety mat!

Not sure if he has the people skills required.

You just will not accept what the word of God says will you KY. As is the norm for those of the C/R view you have pulled an out of context verse in the attempt to support you non-biblical view. Since it requires a free will to be able make choices and you deny free will then it would...

And you KY keep showing that you do not read the posts. Only God saves but He only saves those that have freely trusted in Him. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may...

Well at least I have the ability to reason which it seems you gladly say you do not. It always surprises me how hard those of the C/R view will work to prove that they are just unthinking robots.

@kyredneck I was saved B4 time B4 I even believed. The C/R view has taught a false means of salvation from the start. The bible is clear but it seems you just will not accept what the bible says as it disagrees with your false understanding of the word of God.. Only God saves but He only...

The foolishness is the idea that the US and Britain are to be found in the bible for starters. Armstrong had many foolish ideas that people, who did not know their bible, fell for. But I see you have not provided any clear scripture to support your odd ideas.

You are correct. God saves those that have freely trusted in His risen son. The error of the wisdom of the men who promote false views has been pointed out many times on this and other boards but some still call faith a work.

Sad but true, for many it is just something they do one Sunday each month.

It is not the number of believers that gather but the heart of the believers that gather. Mat 18:20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." A christian may be lonely but they are never alone.

All you have to do is keep reading David. Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, I cannot remember how many...

What church do you attend that teaches that foolishness. That idea came right out of the fertile mind of Armstrong.

This is not news to those of us that actually looked at his history and association with Trudeau. Problem we have here is that the MSM are just liberal party mouth pieces so many do not know what carney is all about. Carney's green agenda will cause this country to split.

Pray tell, what does the bible say about it KY. You are right I do consider myself and anyone else that freely trusts in the risen son of God as smarter/ wiser than those that reject Him. Don't you? Do you think those that trust in God are just foolish to do so? You and many other C/R's seem...

Actually it comes down to the authority of God. Man made rules are fine for those that form that particular organization/church. If you think you need a qualified minister to offer worship to God then you have a serious misunderstanding of worship of God.

So what is you issue with that KY? I understand that from the C/R view man has to be saved first then God gives him the faith so he can believe. Do you agree with Loraine Boettner's comment? "A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved. Or do you...

You have not shown anything different than what @atpollard and myself have said. If they can show that they understand what it means to believe in Christ Jesus for their salvation then of course they should be baptized. But that is the sticking point which you seem to have missed. Do they...