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The calvinist version of God is not the God we find in scripture. Yes God sends people to hell when they freely reject Him but the calvinist is the one that makes man reject Him. Your divine determinism requires that God determine all things not just some things so those that reject God do so...

See post @ 36 The bible speaks of potential salvation as man must make the choice to either reject or trust in God. God does not do it for him. ph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that...

They go to hell because they have rejected the means of salvation. Definition you need to know Propitiation The act of appeasing wrath and conciliating the favor of an offended person; the act of one making propitious. {in biblical theology, God} 1Jn_2:2 Propitious Disposed to be gracious or...

Perhaps you do as you do not seem to be able to understand the basics of salvation as found in scripture. Your problem is that you have to low a view of the sovereignty of God and of His love for His creation. You are trusting a man-made religion rather than the word of God.

Actually they do not. Prior to augustine and even augustine prior to his fight with Pelagius the ECF's held to mans free will. The TULIP/DoG are a gross misrepresentation of the love of God for His creation. Those views were taught prior to the reformation but prior to augustine they were...

God would disagree with that. God calls lost sinners to repentance 1] through creation Rom_1:20 2] the conviction of the Holy Spirit Joh_16:8-9 3] the gospel message Rom_1:16 4] observing Christians lives 1Pe_2:12 So unless you think God is is a liar then He must think that man can hear and...

Whether God gets what He wants or not does not have any affect on His being sovereign. He desires all to come to repentance but not all do so by your logic He is not longer sovereign. Thus we see that your logic is faulty.

And as has been pointed out more than once the greatest dispute came about because augustine brought pagan philosophy into the church in the 4 th century. The TULIP/DoG are not biblical teachings but rather wrong headed teachings of calvinists used to support their errant philosophy.

If Gill had stayed with what the bible actually says rather than run off into the woods of calvinism then with his writing skills he could have cleared up many of the errors of that view. But that was not to be, he had to attempt to support that false view and we end up with just a jumble of...

BF you are ignoring the biblical text again. As long as you continue to do that you will not understand biblical salvation.

Which would be the whole world 1Jn 2:2. That was His intent, John 3:17, God will not force anyone to come to Him so we see that while His intent was to save all He will only save those that freely come to Him in faith. Ephesians 2:8-9

BF where in these words Mat 26:28 This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. do you see any limitation of for whom Christ's blood was poured out. You have to read that into the text. Then we see 1Jn 2:2 He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for...

Joh 1:12 But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God—BSB You are trying to turn the word of God on it's head BF. We hear, we believe, then we are, by the grace of God, saved.

I accept the truth as we find it in the word of God. I do not accept what you call truth as it is not found in the word of God.

BF you are putting the card before the horse. They are born of God because they believe.

Appeased does not mean saved BF. to bring to a state of peace, quiet, ease, calm, or contentment; pacify; soothe. to appease an angry king.

God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; Do you have different meanings for the words I put in bold ZA. Those words make everything said just a way of softening what those...

You are so lost it is beyond understanding as to why anyone would deny the clear word of God as you continue to do.

BF you will believe what you want but you will not believe the bibles clear text which I have pointed out to you more than once. You are a hard core calvinist that trusts in a pagan philosophy rather than the word of God. Your false religious views spits in the face of God. My God have mercy...

You have people saved before they believe BF, not biblical.