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There are several, but the simplest is the holiness of God. Psalm 5:4-6. Another is to promote the fear of God, which is the beginning of wisdom. Deut. 6:1-2; Acts 5:11.

If there were Scripture capable of destroying PSA, you sure haven't found it.

Another quotation from John Owen, this time from Meditations on the Glory of Christ. 'How glorious the Lord Jesus Christ is in the eyes of believers! When Adam sinned, he stood ashamed , afraid, trembling, as one ready to perish for ever under the severe displeasure of God. Deathwas what he...

There is no thread that is able to destroy PSA.

You just make this stuff up as you go along. The fact that sin could only be dealt with by the precious blood of the Son of God, shows just how great a problem it is. If there had been any other way to redeem guilty sinners, you may be sure that God would have chosen that rather than the way...

Galatians 3:6-9. 'Just as Abraham "Believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness," therefore know that those who are of faith, they are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the Gospel to Abraham beforehand...

This would only be true in some starnge "Alice through the Looking Glass" world, where everything is the opposite of what is true. In fact PSA is the one doctrine that treats sin with the seriousness with which God treats it. It is also very, very simple, unless one is determined to complicate...

Oh please! Do I have to write out the whole of Isaiah 53 every time I post? Of course without the cross there is no reconciliation. That's why Paul wrote, 'For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.'

Thanks, Dave! :D

Sorry! I don't believe that's Owen - it's you - and unless you give me chapter and verse to prove it's Owen, I'm not commenting on it. And for the record, I did NOT object to the use of the word "humanity." I object to discussing YOUR definition of PSA when there are plenty of others to...

Your problem, @JonC, is that this is what the Bible actually teaches. 'We all like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, into his own way; and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.' That is what God has done to reconcile us to HImself. If you think He should have done...

Come on, Jon! You really don't have to misunderstand everything I say! I don't have any objection to the word "humanity." It's in the Pierced for our Transgressions definition for Pete's sake! All I said was that I didn't think Owen would use it because it's a modern word. Owen would have...

Accepted. Is this John Owen's definition or yours? If Owen's, can you point me to it, please? I find it strange that Owen would use the word 'humanity.'

FYI, Mike Ovey (1958-2017), who was Pincipal of Oak Hill Theological Seminary, was indeed an Anglican for most of his life, but at the time of his death, I understand thatt he was attending a Baptist church. https://faithroot.com/2022/01/07/mike-ovey/...

Mike Ovey, Steve Jeffery and Andrew Sach.

Deut. 27:26. ''Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law. And all the people shall say, "Amen!" James 2:10. 'For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.' See also Gal. 3:10-14.

You are correct, but we should be able to agree about Penal Substitution while disagreeing about the extent of the atonement :) Wesleyans certainly used to believe in PSA while being staunch Arminians. I'm not sure they believe in anything much these days, but there we go.

Where exactly have I asserted that Owen did not hold PSA? Having said that, I maintain the right to disagree with him. He was a man just as we are, and men can make errors. I have Death of Death in the Death of Christ on my bookshelf (Banner of Truth paperback version), though I haven't read...

"God gave himself in the person of his Son to suffer instead of us the death, punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the punishment for sin” - from Pierced for our Transgressions. I don't know how you would deny that this definition speaks of the Lord Jesus suffering instead of us the...

First of all, thank you for listing seven definitions of the doctrine of Penal Substitution. I was struck by the substantial unity of the definitions. Herein lies the problem. Presumably because you cannot find fault with those definitions, you have created your own definition just so that...